What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
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29-01-2014, 05:14 AM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
The only evidence for god is god, thus the answer is personal revelation. Angel

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29-01-2014, 05:19 AM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 11:55 PM)morondog Wrote:  I believe that Australia exists.

Australia doesn't exist. It's a holographic projection from New Zealand. Satellites are photographing the holographic projection.

Quote: I've never been there but I've met Australians and some good friends have gone over there and come back with suntans...

The so-called Australians you met were New Zealanders pretending to be Australian by using vowels. When you "visit Australia" a hypnotic gas is pumped into the aircraft cabin and you are diverted to New Zealand where you are given a tan and have false memories implanted.

Quote: Why doesn't the existence of God have the same level of credibility as the existence of the continent of Australia ?

Because God doesn't have the mind-manipulation technology of New Zealand and people from New Zealand are evil.
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29-01-2014, 05:56 AM
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(29-01-2014 05:19 AM)Chippy Wrote:  ...
When you "visit Australia" a hypnotic gas is pumped into the aircraft cabin and you are diverted to New Zealand where you are given a tan and have false memories implanted.
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So my illegitimate offspring are really Kiwis?!?!?

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29-01-2014, 06:06 AM
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(29-01-2014 05:56 AM)DLJ Wrote:  So my illegitimate offspring are really Kiwis?!?!?

Yes but don't tell them. What I've revealed is like Scientology OT VIII stuff. It will melt their brains if you tell them they are Kiwis. I was told that it is the shame that really kills them but I don't know for sure.
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29-01-2014, 10:40 AM
What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(29-01-2014 05:12 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  I can't think of a standard of evidence that would convince me a god exists. I can think of a standard of evidence that might convince me aliens exist, but I don't know how to tell the difference between a sufficiently advanced alien species and a god or gods.

I think theists are in the same boat. If you as a theist saw an event that could not be explained by human science - say everyone on earth receiving a single telepathic message at the same time - would you or could you be certain the message was from a god or your god?

Evidentially speaking the god concept is somewhat self-defeating. We might be able to tell whether a being we encounter is greater in power than we are, but deciding whether or not it is great enough in power to call "God" - that's another thing entirely. No doubt it would be worshipped as a god by some, but rejected by others.

I think a more interesting question might be: how does one tell the difference between genuine claims of a deity and false claims of a deity used to manipulate?

This is not to say that genuine claims could not also be used to manipulate.

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29-01-2014, 11:01 AM
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(28-01-2014 03:12 PM)lookingforanswers Wrote:  Yeah, so I'm asking you, what would you consider to be observable, testable and falsifiable evidence of a creator's existence?
How the hell am i supposed to know what the evidence is supposed to be? the obvious "Signature of God" is simply not there so i have no judgments to make.

its like imagining a color that you can't see in the visible spectrum.
Quote:Your signature talks about all the stuff that you don't consider evidence, so give me a solid example of what you would consider evidence.
Evidence:The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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29-01-2014, 01:38 PM
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Hmm I see your question, let me answer it with an example:
Question: "How can you prove there is a God someone is a doctor?"

Possible Answer(PA): "Because he wears a white coat!"
~Well anyone can wear a white coat, that doesn't really prove anything.

PA: "Because he's rich and smart!"
~So is Trump, doesn't make him a doctor.

PA: "Because he's very knowledgeable about anatomy and the likes!"
~Anyone can study anatomy and the likes, once again, that doesn't prove anything.

PA: "You can test him!"
~Psh, anyone can cheat on a test!

Now stop right here. Test him/her/it/whatever. But how? What is the true test of a doctor?
Not that they have the knowledge, but how they use it. They can "heal the sick" per say, and do it repeatedly with predictable results. They don't have to do it while you're alone when no one can see, they can do it anywhere at anytime, with any provocation.

(Before I get the "doctors can't perform surgery in such-a-such place" or "doctors can't heal such-a-such disease", realize this is only an analogy, and just like everything else on this world: it isn't perfect.)

There is always a way to prove a "theory" or "fact." Although, the same cannot be said for a "hypothesis."

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29-01-2014, 02:53 PM
What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(29-01-2014 01:38 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Hmm I see your question, let me answer it with an example:
Question: "How can you prove there is a God someone is a doctor?"

Possible Answer(PA): "Because he wears a white coat!"
~Well anyone can wear a white coat, that doesn't really prove anything.

PA: "Because he's rich and smart!"
~So is Trump, doesn't make him a doctor.

PA: "Because he's very knowledgeable about anatomy and the likes!"
~Anyone can study anatomy and the likes, once again, that doesn't prove anything.

PA: "You can test him!"
~Psh, anyone can cheat on a test!

Now stop right here. Test him/her/it/whatever. But how? What is the true test of a doctor?
Not that they have the knowledge, but how they use it. They can "heal the sick" per say, and do it repeatedly with predictable results. They don't have to do it while you're alone when no one can see, they can do it anywhere at anytime, with any provocation.

(Before I get the "doctors can't perform surgery in such-a-such place" or "doctors can't heal such-a-such disease", realize this is only an analogy, and just like everything else on this world: it isn't perfect.)

There is always a way to prove a "theory" or "fact." Although, the same cannot be said for a "hypothesis."

An important point is revealed through this analogy: it may take time and repetition for a doctor to prove his abilities to any given person.

Some responses in this thread have suggested there might be only a single act which might prove God to any given atheist. I suspect it may take many. Any given act would only prove the entity capable of that act, not omnipotence.

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29-01-2014, 03:15 PM
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(29-01-2014 02:53 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Some responses in this thread have suggested there might be only a single act which might prove God to any given atheist. I suspect it may take many. Any given act would only prove the entity capable of that act, not omnipotence.

Yebo, but if said purported deity said "By the way I know everything" and proceeded to prove it by e.g. telling me what porn I like to watch and... oh wait US govt can do that... but you know, that kinda drill. Telling me what I was thinking etc. Then at least I'd have to entertain the idea of omniscience. If he said "I can do *anything*" and proceeded to chuck stuff around, juggle 128 plates, that kinda thing... I'd have to entertain the idea of omnipotence...

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29-01-2014, 03:19 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(29-01-2014 11:01 AM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(28-01-2014 03:12 PM)lookingforanswers Wrote:  Yeah, so I'm asking you, what would you consider to be observable, testable and falsifiable evidence of a creator's existence?
How the hell am i supposed to know what the evidence is supposed to be? the obvious "Signature of God" is simply not there so i have no judgments to make.

its like imagining a color that you can't see in the visible spectrum.
Quote:Your signature talks about all the stuff that you don't consider evidence, so give me a solid example of what you would consider evidence.
Evidence:The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

If you don't know what you're looking for, how can you claim it's lacking? Or do you lack belief that you can define what evidence is? Seems like a slippery slope to me.
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