What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
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28-01-2014, 12:58 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 12:12 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  The creator would know.
I agree with this.

Any creator worth his salt, would certainly know how to accomplish this in a way that satisfies every individuals intellect.
(Except perhaps, Chas.) Wink

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28-01-2014, 01:01 PM (This post was last modified: 28-01-2014 01:08 PM by Phil Hill.)
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28-01-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
Simple.

Look underneath the creation.

Find the deistic equivalent of "Made in China".

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28-01-2014, 01:13 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 01:01 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  oops - some mod delete this please.

I saw what happened with your post, Phil, it's nothing to worry about.



And BTW welcome to the forum. Thumbsup




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28-01-2014, 01:15 PM
Re: RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 01:13 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(28-01-2014 01:01 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  oops - some mod delete this please.

I saw what happened with your post, Phil, it's nothing to worry about.



And BTW welcome to the forum. Thumbsup




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Have no idea how. I thought I hit edit but I must have hit reply. Can't figure out how to delete on tapatalk.

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28-01-2014, 01:16 PM
Re: RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 01:09 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Simple.

Look underneath the creation.

Find the deistic equivalent of "Made in China".

Is that for the Buddhist deity?

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28-01-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 12:12 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  The creator would know.

Ok, props, that's a better answer than I thought I would get, lol.

So, what if the creator knows that the answer is "as long as people have the free will to be able to choose not to believe, some will use that free will and choose not to believe."?

(28-01-2014 12:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  Very simple - watch him create something.

If he shows up here and creates a live animal and I see him do it, I'll believe he can create animals.

Really, I've seen magicians do that with bunnies many times before. I don't think I'd be any less skeptical of the trick if the magician claimed to be God.

(28-01-2014 12:27 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  You want to know what proof I'll accept? Here's what proof I'll accept:

I challenge God/The Creator to a debate on His existence.

Topics to be discussed:
1. Does He exist?
2. What would constitute irrefutable proof of His existence?

That's it. That's the whole topic of the debate.

It would just be me and God. No intermediaries.

And if He JUST FUCKING SHOWS UP, He WINS!!!!!

Ok, so if someone showed up claiming to be God personified, would you believe him?
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28-01-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 01:16 PM)Phil Hill Wrote:  
(28-01-2014 01:09 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Simple.

Look underneath the creation.

Find the deistic equivalent of "Made in China".

Is that for the Buddhist deity?

There is no Buddhist deity. Angel

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28-01-2014, 01:23 PM
RE: What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
(28-01-2014 01:17 PM)lookingforanswers Wrote:  
(28-01-2014 12:12 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  The creator would know.

Ok, props, that's a better answer than I thought I would get, lol.

Why? Are you so arrogant as to think that we are stupid for not believing, or don't have well-thought-out reasons for not believing, your fairy tales? Are you this condescending to your supposed "fiance'"?



Quote:So, what if the creator knows that the answer is "as long as people have the free will to be able to choose not to believe, some will use that free will and choose not to believe."?


If frogs had wings they wouldn't bust their ass. Again, you are disingenuously attempting to introduce this idea of a "creator" for argument's sake without providing evidence of its existence. Bad apologetics snake oil salesman. And still no apology.

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(28-01-2014 12:24 PM)Dom Wrote:  Very simple - watch him create something.

If he shows up here and creates a live animal and I see him do it, I'll believe he can create animals.

Really, I've seen magicians do that with bunnies many times before. I don't think I'd be any less skeptical of the trick if the magician claimed to be God.


You haven't seen anyone create a whole fucking PLANET between here and the moon.

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(28-01-2014 12:27 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  You want to know what proof I'll accept? Here's what proof I'll accept:

I challenge God/The Creator to a debate on His existence.

Topics to be discussed:
1. Does He exist?
2. What would constitute irrefutable proof of His existence?

That's it. That's the whole topic of the debate.

It would just be me and God. No intermediaries.

And if He JUST FUCKING SHOWS UP, He WINS!!!!!

Ok, so if someone showed up claiming to be God personified, would you believe him?

It works for GirlyMan.


I note that you run away from my rebuttal. No surprise.

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28-01-2014, 01:23 PM
What sort of evidence would it take for atheists to believe in a creator?
My original answer to this question still seems appropriate:

The only way for me to be certain would be for such a entity to bestow me with omniscience. Otherwise there will always be doubt.

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