What the Bible says about marriage or cherry picking at its finest
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05-07-2015, 10:28 PM
RE: What the Bible says about marriage or cherry picking at its finest
Well the Old Testament basically says it's horrifyingly disgusting in God's eyes (Leviticus 18:22) and to murder anyone you catch doing it (Lev. 20:13). I believe it is also listed as a capital offense in Deuteronomy. So is atheism and any other non-YHWH religion... along with cursing at or sassing your parents, having sex with a neighbor's wife, and a few other choice behaviors. Oh, and it condones slavery (Lev. 25:44-46). So there's that. Most Christians today, however, tend to ignore the OT in favor of the NT, including making the excuse for these evil and often even genocidal notions by stating that Jesus (apparently) came so that we could now ignore the OT's laws now that we've all been Forgiven. Except Genesis. That part was Really Important™, apparently, something to do with Original Sin/The Fall of Man, and thus the need for Christ to come here and die to invoke the GodMagic™, in order to save us all from the conditions of salvation invented by the Omnipotent Being, Christ's mammalian father.

There's some discussion about whether the New Testament talks about it; the translators to english thought so in several of Paul's epistles (most notably 1 Corinthians and Romans), but it seems like an instance of poor translation of the ancient Greek by Renaissance writers. Simply put, the Greeks had a word for homosexual behavior (duh!), paiderasste, but Paul didn't use it. Instead he used a word that he seems to have invented, which comes from the root words for man+beds. Most liberal theology scholars think, from the context, that he was talking about the temple prostitution for fertility-rites holidays, practiced in Greek culture at the time. There's also the word translated as "effeminates", but it's almost certainly a mistranslation of context, as in that day and age the phrase was used to describe someone in the way we would say "spineless", meaning weak-willed and/or morally shifty. There are several websites dedicated to both sides of this argument.

The problem is that the fundamentalists who're most likely to be the people with whom you must argue about this subject aren't going to listen to arguments about context and ancient Greek etymologies. They can *see* the english words, plain before their eyes, and as far as they're concerned that's all there is to it.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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05-07-2015, 10:38 PM (This post was last modified: 05-07-2015 10:49 PM by purpledaisies.)
RE: What the Bible says about marriage or cherry picking at its finest
Yes. I was thinking more along the lines of relationships. King David and Johnathan. Are there any stories that show a 'love' for a man to a man or a woman to a woman. Does that make sense?

Eta: I had to fix some errors
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