What the hell is "the welfare state"?
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21-05-2016, 07:00 AM
RE: What the hell is "the welfare state"?
Oklahoma?

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22-05-2016, 12:39 PM
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(21-05-2016 07:00 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  Oklahoma?
yes, and California and other states

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22-05-2016, 03:59 PM
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(17-05-2016 01:45 PM)BnW Wrote:  Yes, my comment wasn't really focused on the QE as much as the impact of the Fed in general.

QE = quarterly earnings?
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22-05-2016, 04:03 PM
RE: What the hell is "the welfare state"?
(17-05-2016 02:49 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(14-05-2016 12:10 PM)Mittens Deluxe Wrote:  People on welfare. What's the problem with that? Don't answer that just yet, because I have a few more things I want to work out in my head. Okay, first of all, where do republicans get the idea that people are just lazy?
I was actually suprised to learn that the Republicans are right wing and the Democrates are left wing.

I knew the Republicans were religo nutty, so I just assumed they would be left wing.

In NZ the religious based parties seem to be for the left. They tend to like looking after the poor (by giving them stuff), they tend to think it is "right" to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. Tend to be for unions and equal pay.

But in USA it seems the religo nutters are far right.

Personally I do have problems with overly socialist policies. I value freedom, I value personal responsibility, I think people who go to school, focus on an education and work hard deserve the rewards that they seek. I think it is unfair when a person drops out of school aged 14 and has 8 children by the time she is 24 and gets huge domestic purpose benefits paid by the tax payers.

But, I do have an issue with leaving people to rot on the park benches too.
I value opportunity, which is why I like the idea of free school and free health. I value the idea of wellfare being a temporary measure which comes with some responsibility. Those on wellfare need to be actively looking for jobs or need to be actively upskilling. I think there ought to be a limit to domestic purpose benefit, as the solo mother has her nth child she shouldn't be getting richer, she should find it harder to make her financial commitments hence she should have a disincentive to keep on reproducing.
I truly think the main issue is in the home. I think handing out money creates dependencies and dependent habits that are passed onto the next generation.
I think encouraging businesses means the creation of jobs and the flow of money in a thriving society.

A guy called RayGun tried that it was labelled Voodoo economics by some. Make sure the rich have all they want and they will hire gardeners and maids and all that stuff. Trickle down it was also called. Didn't work at all.
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23-05-2016, 06:47 AM
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(22-05-2016 03:59 PM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  
(17-05-2016 01:45 PM)BnW Wrote:  Yes, my comment wasn't really focused on the QE as much as the impact of the Fed in general.

QE = quarterly earnings?

A tool used by The Federal Reserve Bank and others called "Quantitative Easing".

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24-05-2016, 05:19 AM
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Facepalm Is there people that take advantage of the welfare system? Yes, but it's a minority of people compared to the rest who genuinely need the extra assistance also need I say a very key fact. The average individual on welfare can possibly get up to a $200 a check, a family of four can see up to $900. These people aren't rolling in cash from the welfare system guys. My grandmother is near wheel chair bound, has severe arthritis, and diabetes, she gets a big fat 80$ dollar check every month from SNAP for her groceries. The majority of her disability check goes towards paying for her small 1 bedroom 1 bath apartment and even though she has a rent subsidy, she's left with pennies after everything is said and done. This is your average welfare recipient. Bangin
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24-05-2016, 06:39 AM
RE: What the hell is "the welfare state"?
This is your average welfare recipient.

What do you mean by "this"? If you mean that's how they live, that's probably true. But, if you mean the average welfare recipient is an elderly invalid, I very much doubt that is the case.

As taking advantage, I think the welfare system more often takes advantage of people than people take advantage of welfare. Sure, there is fraud and people who scheme and steal. There always are. But, when it works, welfare creates a permanent state of poverty from which there is little chance of escape. It's been that way for so long that it's tough to believe it's a bug but seems more like a feature.

Welfare was expanded in the 60s as part of the "war on poverty". The war is over; poverty won. It's time to try something else than paying people nominal amounts and hoping a miracle occurs where they can break the cycle of dependence.

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24-05-2016, 07:03 AM
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(24-05-2016 05:19 AM)Holle03 Wrote:  Facepalm Is there people that take advantage of the welfare system? Yes, but it's a minority of people compared to the rest who genuinely need the extra assistance also need I say a very key fact. The average individual on welfare can possibly get up to a $200 a check, a family of four can see up to $900. These people aren't rolling in cash from the welfare system guys. My grandmother is near wheel chair bound, has severe arthritis, and diabetes, she gets a big fat 80$ dollar check every month from SNAP for her groceries. The majority of her disability check goes towards paying for her small 1 bedroom 1 bath apartment and even though she has a rent subsidy, she's left with pennies after everything is said and done. This is your average welfare recipient. Bangin

I don't have an opinion one way or the other but is there evidence that only "a minority of people" take advantage of the welfare system?

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24-05-2016, 07:34 AM
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Terrific information on what has happened with income equality, who has been responsible and with graphs and pics too! Well worth a look.

"Donald Trump's motto is to make America great again, while Bernie Sanders's campaign has focused on reducing income inequality. And there's a reason this message is resonating with voters:

It's grounded in 50 years of reality.

You can see lots of discussion and debate and political fighting over who has wealth in America, and whether that should change. Or, you can look at the the cartoon below to understand how the distribution of wealth has changed in America, and why.”

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/23/11704246/we...ty-cartoon

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24-05-2016, 07:36 AM
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(24-05-2016 05:19 AM)Holle03 Wrote:  Facepalm Is there people that take advantage of the welfare system? Yes, but it's a minority of people compared to the rest who genuinely need the extra assistance also need I say a very key fact. The average individual on welfare can possibly get up to a $200 a check, a family of four can see up to $900. These people aren't rolling in cash from the welfare system guys. My grandmother is near wheel chair bound, has severe arthritis, and diabetes, she gets a big fat 80$ dollar check every month from SNAP for her groceries. The majority of her disability check goes towards paying for her small 1 bedroom 1 bath apartment and even though she has a rent subsidy, she's left with pennies after everything is said and done. This is your average welfare recipient. Bangin

Some families of four can get $900.00 a week? Or per month? Monthly sounds more likely to me.
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