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What the hell is wrong with the United States?
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09-05-2014, 06:23 PM
What the hell is wrong with the United States?
Education.

Here's our spending budget:
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This is the worldwide defense budget:
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Does anyone really wonder why the majority of Americans are uneducated, cannot think for themselves, and look for guidance from figureheads, the media, and religious replacements for parental figures?

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09-05-2014, 06:55 PM
RE: What the hell is wrong with the United States?
American public expenditure on primary and secondary education is exactly commensurate with GDP per capita compared to other OECD nations, and as a percentage of total government spending American educational expenditure is almost exactly the OECD average. Educational attainment is, as perhaps would be expected, entirely average among said developed nations.

I do not deny the presence of an outlier vehemently anti-intellectual subculture. Generally the impact of such is far greater than the actual prevalence, barring deciding cases in a polarised two-party electoral system.

See here.

tl;dr - Education in the USA is neither underfunded nor underperforming. Military expenditure is an entirely separate issue.

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09-05-2014, 08:03 PM
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That's only discretionary spending. You don't spend 57% of your budget on military spending. It's actually about 15% irrc. But yea it is still very high.

Also, your educational spending is on par with other western countries. I actually believe it's higher (percentage of gdp) than France and the UK.
Countries that have higher educational spending than you tend to be far more socialized than you and/or have small markets.
ie: Here we're a socialist state (for now) and people expect the government to pay for education and so they do, providing free education to all. The private schools exist but they're often expensive and are aimed at the rich.
In America you have a larger market and so there's more private schools picking up the slack and so you don't need as many public schools, thus slightly less spending.

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09-05-2014, 08:05 PM
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You forgot, "All of the above."

Also, not to nitpick, but that is also federal spending. I don't know why we seem to think everything that is worth doing either is, or needs to, be done at the federal level. We do have states, and counties, and cities... you'd think they could do some of this stuff too.

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09-05-2014, 08:26 PM
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Education is typically funded at the city/county/ state level thru property taxes and/or school taxes (meaning the school district has the ability to tax as well as the state, city, etc)

But I also wanted " all of the above" option


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11-05-2014, 02:48 PM
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I think lack of education and religion go hand in hand.. but there is far more wrong with this country. People have gotten their asses wiped so much they can't deal with it when things aren't their way. There are so many hateful bigoted people in this country its honestly astonishing and discouraging. Everyone blames Obama.. like he actually makes all the decisions lol.. Republicans crying because they aren't getting their way.. when Bush was in office he was far worse then Obama but you didn't see nearly as much hate.. Regardless of your political stance our president is our president.. we should at least try to get along. But from the begging republicans stated they would go against anything Obama was going to try to do. Why? simply because he wasn't republican.

Now before you get your panties in a knot i don't affiliate with any one singular party.. i think all are equally as backwards as the next. But i gotta say my least favorite is the republicans and those of the same likeness. I think they either need to evolve with the rest of us or die completely. Im tired of being held back by ice age beliefs from these old timers who have obviously no idea what the American people want anymore. Congress should work exactly like the presidency.. Term should be 4 years.. voted for by the people. Every 4 years a new vote to either get someone new or keep the same person. But it shouldn't exceed 8 years, just like the president.

I just wonder how much money has been spent on trying to keep marriage illegal for gays. Or how much is spent each year on keeping weed illegal.. Can't people see we're trying to move forward? But these idiots keep trying to drag us back.

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11-05-2014, 03:29 PM
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Saw this on facebook and thought of this thread

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11-05-2014, 04:05 PM
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The one change I really would like to see is free college education and a complete overhaul of our k-12 schools. Especially in urban areas. One of the huge problems is that to get an education is massively expensive. I'm at a cheap public university and I borrow 20k+ per year to pay fees and tuition. That's on top of thousands of dollars in scholarships and grants.

Does this seem insane to anyone else?
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11-05-2014, 06:35 PM
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The less people care the easier it is to do something bad, get their attention, and then lie, right?
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11-05-2014, 08:18 PM
RE: What the hell is wrong with the United States?
(11-05-2014 03:29 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Saw this on facebook and thought of this thread

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That's actually what prompted this thread!

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