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04-04-2015, 11:05 AM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 10:58 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Obama administration flying the children of illegals to America with taxpayer dollars.
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Do you support the children of illegals being brought to America using taxpayer money?

Have you actually read the program's wording or just Fox News and The Daily Caller's read on it? That's a rhetorical question. Of course you haven't.

"The United States is establishing an in-country refugee/parole program in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to provide a safe, legal, and orderly alternative to the dangerous journey that some children are currently undertaking to the United States. This program will allow certain parents who are lawfully present in the United States to request access to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for their children still in one of these three countries. Children who are found ineligible for refugee admission but still at risk of harm may be considered for parole on a case-by-case basis. The refugee/parole program will not be a pathway for undocumented parents to bring their children to the United States, but instead, the program will provide certain vulnerable, at-risk children an opportunity to be reunited with parents lawfully resident in the United States."

In-Country Refugee/Parole Program for Minors in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras With Parents Lawfully Present in the United States

It must suck for you being that paranoid.

Laugh out load Lawfully present Laugh out load

You mean like the millions Obama granted amnesty to "lawfully?" Laugh out load

What you and Obama consider lawful is vastly different than what is actually lawful.

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04-04-2015, 11:10 AM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:05 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 10:58 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Have you actually read the program's wording or just Fox News and The Daily Caller's read on it? That's a rhetorical question. Of course you haven't.

"The United States is establishing an in-country refugee/parole program in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to provide a safe, legal, and orderly alternative to the dangerous journey that some children are currently undertaking to the United States. This program will allow certain parents who are lawfully present in the United States to request access to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for their children still in one of these three countries. Children who are found ineligible for refugee admission but still at risk of harm may be considered for parole on a case-by-case basis. The refugee/parole program will not be a pathway for undocumented parents to bring their children to the United States, but instead, the program will provide certain vulnerable, at-risk children an opportunity to be reunited with parents lawfully resident in the United States."

In-Country Refugee/Parole Program for Minors in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras With Parents Lawfully Present in the United States

It must suck for you being that paranoid.

Laugh out load Lawfully present Laugh out load

You mean like the millions Obama granted amnesty to "lawfully?" Laugh out load

What you and Obama consider lawful is vastly different than what is actually lawful.




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04-04-2015, 11:16 AM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:03 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 10:54 AM)BnW Wrote:  What I was looking for is something that confirmed a) it's now happening and b) it has the impacts cited in the Fox article. Given their long history of making shit up, I do not believe anything they print without some independent confirmation from an actual news site.

As for the issue itself, I have mixed feelings on the idea. Reuniting children with their parents is never a bad thing, but the circumstances leave much to be desired.

Oh, for the record, you posting the link had nothing to do with why I think you're a fucking idiot.

Trust me, I know why you think I'm a fucking idiot. Liberals and democrats are the party of tolerance. Unless it's something they don't agree with, or doesn't agree with them. Then it turns into a tirade of insults, threats, and intimidation. Usually over the internet, because liberals don't actually have any form of strength or bravery, and hide behind the keyboard on their iphone their mommy bought them.

http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/crime-f...s-say.html

Laugh out load

Trust me, if that's your explanation, you don't get why I think you're a fucking idiot.

And, if you think I'm a liberal, you've not paid much attention to what I actually write.

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04-04-2015, 11:17 AM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:03 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 10:54 AM)BnW Wrote:  What I was looking for is something that confirmed a) it's now happening and b) it has the impacts cited in the Fox article. Given their long history of making shit up, I do not believe anything they print without some independent confirmation from an actual news site.

As for the issue itself, I have mixed feelings on the idea. Reuniting children with their parents is never a bad thing, but the circumstances leave much to be desired.

Oh, for the record, you posting the link had nothing to do with why I think you're a fucking idiot.

Trust me, I know why you think I'm a fucking idiot. Liberals and democrats are the party of tolerance. Unless it's something they don't agree with, or doesn't agree with them. Then it turns into a tirade of insults, threats, and intimidation. Usually over the internet, because liberals don't actually have any form of strength or bravery, and hide behind the keyboard on their iphone their mommy bought them.

http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/crime-f...s-say.html

Laugh out load

Yep, that's the logical sentiment that fits what would be happening. As long as we build up the dividing line of them vs us there will be glee and bravery had. Especially funny calling BnW a liberal after many things I see him say here, that's uh not very descriptively fitting.

I mean, he's used flying machines shadely for questionable acts a whole lot in a whole lot worse situations than this would be. I'm sure this situation will settle itself out by letting everyone remain split on a way to solve mass misinformation that has produced part of this problem.

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04-04-2015, 11:37 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 11:49 AM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Obama administration flying the children of illegals to America with taxpayer dollars.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/...latestnews

From the article you yourself linked:

Faux News Wrote:The parents are eligible as long as they have some sort of legal status. As first reported in The Daily Caller, this would include permanent residents and even illegal immigrants given a work permit and deportation reprieve under President Obama’s recent executive actions, though much of that is on hold due to a pending court case.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Obama just continues to do whatever he wants. No

Did you lodge this same complaint when Dubya lied us into an unnecessary war?

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  They will do anything to add more democrat voters to the American population.

The demographics of the country guarantee the demise of the Republican party unless they modify their approach to social issues. The Democrats don't need to bring any new voters in, because the majority of the country already understand that the Republicans stand for three groups: rich folks, racist bigots, and religious dipshits. The destruction of the income mobility limits the size of the first group, the spreading acceptance of the message of tolerance limits the second group, and the continued attmepts of the religious right to inflict their brand of "small government" on the wombs of half the voting population means that the Republicans have alienated the poor, the young, and women. That's bad electoral math.

The Democrats have no need to import a few thousand youngsters to garner their votes fifteen years from now, because unless the Republicans make deep changes, in fifteen years they will be this century's Whigs.

eta: Probably longer than fifteen years.

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  It's so obvious what their long term plan is. Bring in people who vote democrat once they gain citizenship, which will prevent republicans from gaining a majority in congress or holding the presidency. Then they will move on to banning guns. Then installing full socialism or communism.

Wake up people.

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04-04-2015, 11:54 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 12:02 PM by Patriot10mm.)
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:37 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Obama administration flying the children of illegals to America with taxpayer dollars.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/...latestnews

From the article you yourself linked:

Faux News Wrote:The parents are eligible as long as they have some sort of legal status. As first reported in The Daily Caller, this would include permanent residents and even illegal immigrants given a work permit and deportation reprieve under President Obama’s recent executive actions, though much of that is on hold due to a pending court case.

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Obama just continues to do whatever he wants. No

Did you lodge this same complaint when Dubya lied us into an unnecessary war?

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  They will do anything to add more democrat voters to the American population.

The demographics of the country guarantee the demise of the Republican party unless they modify their approach to social issues. The Democrats don't need to bring any new voters in, because the majority of the country already understand that the Republicans stand for three groups: rich folks, racist bigots, and religious dipshits. The destruction of the income mobility limits the size of the first group, the spreading acceptance of the message of tolerance limits the second group, and the continued attmepts of the religious right to inflict their brand of "small government" on the wombs of half the voting population means that the Republicans have alienated the poor, the young, and women. That's bad electoral math.

The Democrats have no need to import a few thousand youngsters to garner their votes fifteen years from now, because unless the Republicans make deep changes, in fifteen years they will be this century's Whigs.

(04-04-2015 08:39 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  It's so obvious what their long term plan is. Bring in people who vote democrat once they gain citizenship, which will prevent republicans from gaining a majority in congress or holding the presidency. Then they will move on to banning guns. Then installing full socialism or communism.

Wake up people.

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I see the bigger picture. My fear is that the country does exactly what you're saying. Once we reach the point of 51/49 democrat majority in most places in America, republican policies will begin to be replaced. Gun control will be advanced in extreme ways. Liberal policies will take hold.

Then what happens? You can't merely legislate away guns and force liberalism on everyone. Once it's attempted, one of two things will happen. People will comply (Australia, Great Britain) or fight back. What do you think happens in America? Hint: It won't be like Australia or Great Britain. It will be all out war. Right vs. Left. Neighbor vs. Neighbor. The armed vs. the unarmed. There aren't enough cops to stop what will happen. All you have to do is read the comments on the gun forums. Gun owners are expecting this to happen eventually. They're stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammunition and food supplies. It's not just a few people with tinfoil hats. It's EVERYONE. Ammunition shelves are empty. Reloading supplies are on backorder for months. I know hundreds of gun owners. I belong to gun clubs. Talk to people at the gun ranges. I run a firearm forum website. They all say the same thing. Molon Labe.

America will only swing left so far before the pendulum is forced back to the right again. It's not a good idea to force the hand of millions of gun owners. Especially when most cops and the U.S. military are majority right leaning people and won't be on the side of the left.

Maybe a third thing could happen now that I think about it. Secession by force. South vs. North with the threat of force if the south isn't allowed to leave. This time though, the south is much more heavily armed than the north. The U.S. splits into two countries, one for liberals and the other for conservatives. It's already like that now, we're just forced to live around each other.

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04-04-2015, 12:07 PM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:54 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 11:37 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  From the article you yourself linked:



Did you lodge this same complaint when Dubya lied us into an unnecessary war?


The demographics of the country guarantee the demise of the Republican party unless they modify their approach to social issues. The Democrats don't need to bring any new voters in, because the majority of the country already understand that the Republicans stand for three groups: rich folks, racist bigots, and religious dipshits. The destruction of the income mobility limits the size of the first group, the spreading acceptance of the message of tolerance limits the second group, and the continued attmepts of the religious right to inflict their brand of "small government" on the wombs of half the voting population means that the Republicans have alienated the poor, the young, and women. That's bad electoral math.

The Democrats have no need to import a few thousand youngsters to garner their votes fifteen years from now, because unless the Republicans make deep changes, in fifteen years they will be this century's Whigs.


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I see the bigger picture. My fear is that the country does exactly what you're saying. Once we reach the point of 51/49 democrat majority in most places in America, republican policies will begin to be replaced. Gun control will be advanced in extreme ways. Liberal policies will take hold.

Then what happens? You can't merely legislate away guns and force liberalism on everyone. Once it's attempted, one of two things will happen. People will comply (Australia, Great Britain) or fight back. What do you think happens in America? Hint: It won't be like Australia or Great Britain. It will be all out war. Right vs. Left. Neighbor vs. Neighbor. The armed vs. the unarmed. There aren't enough cops to stop what will happen. All you have to do is read the comments on the gun forums. Gun owners are expecting this to happen eventually. They're stockpiling thousands of rounds of ammunition and food supplies. It's not just a few people with tinfoil hats. It's EVERYONE. Ammunition shelves are empty. Reloading supplies are on backorder for months. I know hundreds of gun owners. I belong to gun clubs. Talk to people at the gun ranges. I run a firearm forum website. They all say the same thing. Molon Labe.

America will only swing left so far before the pendulum is forced back to the right again. It's not a good idea to force the hand of millions of gun owners. Especially when most cops and the U.S. military are majority right leaning people and won't be on the side of the left.

Maybe a third thing could happen now that I think about it. Secession by force. South vs. North with the threat of force if the south isn't allowed to leave. This time though, the south is much more heavily armed than the north. The U.S. splits into two countries, one for liberals and the other for conservatives. It's already like that now, we're just forced to live around each other.




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04-04-2015, 12:12 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 12:18 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 11:54 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  It's not a good idea to force the hand of millions of gun owners. Especially when most cops and the U.S. military are majority right leaning people and won't be on the side of the left.

You insult our military men and women by suggesting they will turn traitor based on their political leaning. You are no patriot. You are borderline seditious.

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04-04-2015, 12:31 PM
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 12:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 11:54 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  It's not a good idea to force the hand of millions of gun owners. Especially when most cops and the U.S. military are majority right leaning people and won't be on the side of the left.

You insult our military men and women by suggesting they will turn traitor based on their political leaning. You are no patriot. You are borderline seditious.

You served, so you know that most service members lean right. They wouldn't consider it traitorous. They would consider the other side to be traitors, and you know this.

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04-04-2015, 12:45 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 02:39 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: What the hell
(04-04-2015 12:31 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 12:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You insult our military men and women by suggesting they will turn traitor based on their political leaning. You are no patriot. You are borderline seditious.

You served, so you know that most service members lean right. They wouldn't consider it traitorous. They would consider the other side to be traitors, and you know this.

We would consider it treason. Your understanding of your loyalty oath to the country is too feeble and flimsy.

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