What to do with our military?

[Logica Humano]

(06-11-2012 10:45 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:36 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  They didn't sacrifice shit... Its just a job. Ohh wait maybe you are right! Now that I think about it, I sacrificed my weekend to do work this weekend!!!

You are a fucking idiot. I have worked in warehouses, grocery stores, restaurants, retail outlets, and I've served in the military. I can tell you right now, I sacrificed in the military. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I'm not here to post a sob story, and there have been plenty of others who sacraficed much more than I did, but if you beleive the military is just a regular job that doesn't require extraordinary dedication, and sacrafice then you are a fool. That is all.

One of the few instances in which I respect the living shit out of you. ;D

[TheBlackKnight]

(06-11-2012 12:36 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  

(04-11-2012 09:21 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  For the record, only the Army lowered it's standards The Navy has been cutting people back in an unfair and painful way, which may be required in the future but it isn't right now. Cut in half? hmm...I want to cut it, but I don't know about half. Too many good people would get shit on that have sacrificed A LOT. Maybe a reduction plan to get to half over s course of 10+ years would be something I could accept. What I don't want to do is leave those with battle scars of the body and mind out to dry, and 'firing' people that have given much, did there job, got promoted, improved things, and saved money. Good leaders are needed, though there are tons of shitbags, I have found that the DoD can't tell the difference between the two using their criteria and algorithms. Just rambling a bit.

They didn't sacrifice shit... Its just a job. Ohh wait maybe you are right! Now that I think about it, I sacrificed my weekend to do work this weekend!!!

Did you not read my earlier post where we paid as much as the rest of the world combined on offense?
You could easily cut way way more than half and maintain the govt jobs.

We are at 7 times what china is spending, china at 1.3 billion people compared to our 0.3 billion. So we are spending something like 30 times the amount of defense as they are per citizen!

And I already know what you are thinking. "Its not about per person, its about per country". Well no its not, because that implies there is a chance we get invaded, but there obviously isn't. Thus a comparison of cost per person for govt jobs is absolutely the correct way to look at it.

You are a fucking idiot. Im guessing from other posts that you have no problem with all the entitlment programs we doll out, but could care less about people in uniform who actually earn a check and then some.

Truth is we need to cut everything.

And just so you're not as ignorant, every service member pays for their food, even the guys who live on base. The only time they dont in when they are in country and shitty out MREs.

[Diablo666]

(08-11-2012 04:44 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:36 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  They didn't sacrifice shit... Its just a job. Ohh wait maybe you are right! Now that I think about it, I sacrificed my weekend to do work this weekend!!!

Did you not read my earlier post where we paid as much as the rest of the world combined on offense?
You could easily cut way way more than half and maintain the govt jobs.

We are at 7 times what china is spending, china at 1.3 billion people compared to our 0.3 billion. So we are spending something like 30 times the amount of defense as they are per citizen!

And I already know what you are thinking. "Its not about per person, its about per country". Well no its not, because that implies there is a chance we get invaded, but there obviously isn't. Thus a comparison of cost per person for govt jobs is absolutely the correct way to look at it.

You are a fucking idiot. Im guessing from other posts that you have no problem with all the entitlment programs we doll out, but could care less about people in uniform who actually earn a check and then some.

Truth is we need to cut everything.

And just so you're not as ignorant, every service member pays for their food, even the guys who live on base. The only time they dont in when they are in country and shitty out MREs.

The whole defense budget is an entitlement program lol.

The only people who you could say arguably earns a check are the people at the bottom. The rest, not so much...
And that is during war time. If we aren't at war, which we shouldn't be all the fucking time, then its just a straight up welfare system.

You wouldn't even need to cut anything else if you cut Defense...Thats just how fucking bloated that budget is FFS. That is whats causing the debt!
However, if you really wanted to you could also adopt the canadian health care system and that would save a shitload too.

There is no point in even talking about cutting the other shit as its inconsequential. (Other than SS, but there isn't really any fix for that)


Share your ignorance some more please.

[Diablo666]

(06-11-2012 10:45 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 12:36 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  They didn't sacrifice shit... Its just a job. Ohh wait maybe you are right! Now that I think about it, I sacrificed my weekend to do work this weekend!!!

You are a fucking idiot. I have worked in warehouses, grocery stores, restaurants, retail outlets, and I've served in the military. I can tell you right now, I sacrificed in the military. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I'm not here to post a sob story, and there have been plenty of others who sacraficed much more than I did, but if you beleive the military is just a regular job that doesn't require extraordinary dedication, and sacrafice then you are a fool. That is all.

How is it dedication when you are practically forced to do it? Is the prisoner dedicated? No...

You sacrifice only time. I sacrifice that at work too. So how are they different again?

Did you not get to see your mommy for awhile? QQ! Lots of people move away from home, and don't get to see their mommy for months on end as well.

Their job is to exercise, and mine is to be productive.
One of these things seems worthwhile, and the other not so much...but I can't put my finger on it.

[Dark Light]

(08-11-2012 09:59 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 10:45 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  You are a fucking idiot. I have worked in warehouses, grocery stores, restaurants, retail outlets, and I've served in the military. I can tell you right now, I sacrificed in the military. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I'm not here to post a sob story, and there have been plenty of others who sacrificed much more than I did, but if you beleive the military is just a regular job that doesn't require extraordinary dedication, and sacrifice then you are a fool. That is all.

How is it dedication when you are practically forced to do it? Is the prisoner dedicated? No...

You sacrifice only time. I sacrifice that at work too. So how are they different again?

Did you not get to see your mommy for awhile? QQ! Lots of people move away from home, and don't get to see their mommy for months on end as well.

Their job is to exercise, and mine is to be productive.
One of these things seems worthwhile, and the other not so much...but I can't put my finger on it.

Hmm...well I volenteered, and since we haven't had a draft since Vietnam, I'd say everyone else in the American military did as well. How's that?

Yeah, I left my family. I left my wife. Men left pregnant women. Some never returned. People gave limbs, and some gave their life. Many gave their mental well-being. All gave up their safety, to go to a place that is absolute shit, going without proper meals, without proper beds, without proper toilets, without a home, without hearing the voice of the spouses and children. How many jobs require any of that? How many require you to sleep on a frozen concrete pad in the open wearing a bullet proof vest and with your arms wrapped around a rifle so an enemy will not kill you and your comrades with it? You think we all went over there for vacation? Nightmares keep me awake still, and I had it easy compared to what most had to endure. If you don't know what your talking about it's better to keep you mouth shut. You just look like a damn fool. I left with more men than I came back with, and even more survived by mere chance. You don't know what it means to be a man. I served with 17 year old men that has endured hardships which you can't even imagine. You're god damn right they sacrificed...

[Bucky Ball]

The question is for what. What was it all for ? What exactly has it accomplished ?. No one says it wasn't hard.
In 2003 Robert McNamara said they had made a "terrible terrible" mistake, in sending 50,000 people to die in Viet-nam.
What if they say they say the same thing in 40 years from now about Iraq and Afghanistan ? The reason the 911 terrorists were able to do what they did, is because US airport, and airline security was shit. Everyone knew it, and it was repeatedly stated on the news, the Summer before 9/11. The US is never going to be able to control what goes on in caves 1/2 a world away. The minute they leave, it falls apart, just like Iraq. We can't fix everything.

[Dark Light]

(09-11-2012 05:10 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The question is for what. What was it all for ? What exactly has it accomplished ?. No one says it wasn't hard.

Actually that is pretty much what Diablo is saying. No sacrifice = not hard. I don't disagree with anything else you have said (maybe I'd argue that the airport security is now out of control), in fact I am vocal about it myself, but that is not the topic at hand.

[TheBlackKnight]

(08-11-2012 09:56 PM)Diablo666 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 04:44 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  You are a fucking idiot. Im guessing from other posts that you have no problem with all the entitlment programs we doll out, but could care less about people in uniform who actually earn a check and then some.

Truth is we need to cut everything.

And just so you're not as ignorant, every service member pays for their food, even the guys who live on base. The only time they dont in when they are in country and shitty out MREs.

The whole defense budget is an entitlement program lol.

The only people who you could say arguably earns a check are the people at the bottom. The rest, not so much...
And that is during war time. If we aren't at war, which we shouldn't be all the fucking time, then its just a straight up welfare system.

You wouldn't even need to cut anything else if you cut Defense...Thats just how fucking bloated that budget is FFS. That is whats causing the debt!
However, if you really wanted to you could also adopt the canadian health care system and that would save a shitload too.

There is no point in even talking about cutting the other shit as its inconsequential. (Other than SS, but there isn't really any fix for that)


Share your ignorance some more please.

Its ironic you accuse me of ignorance when it's pretty clear you have little understanding of any military,its purpose,how its works and what day to day operations are .With comments like"their job is to exercise", we can all also tell what little you think you know comes from movies and watching gay porn with your boyfriend.

Of course the other issues wont be talked about, bc your not in favor of cutting those.

[Phaedrus]

Paintball.



MASSIVE paintball war in the Mojave.

That would be fucking EPIC.

[TheBlackKnight]

I'm down! I'm not so sure about diablo, he'd prob be hiding.