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15-12-2011, 10:55 PM
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
World history according to my French Canadian history class

Colonialists and the Natives
- This must have taken up a third of the entire course. We briefly learned the different types of torture methods aboriginals used on each other, though I'm fairly certain our teacher only told us that to keep us interested. We learned about a few Christian martyrs who were tortured and killed. Then we launched into weeks of all the terrible things the English did to the native populations: raiding villages, spreading disease, breaking virtually every treaty, forced conversions, stealing land and produce and lacrosse, treating the natives as slaves... France participated in this cultural genocide as well, but to a lesser extent because they "didn't have the racial superiority complex" that Britain did, and were more likely to take aboriginal women as wives. Were they not merciful?

French and English colonial wars
- There were so many of these. It seemed like they were always at it, and they meld together in my mind. Different parties were blamed for different events.

War of 1812
- Americans, convinced that conquering their nearest British neighbour would be a cake-walk, burned down our Parliament. We retaliated by traveling to Washington and burning down their White House (which, we were told, was pink at the time. If that's the case, then you're welcome). Long story short, they failed miserably. It is a great source of pride among Canadians, though it probably shouldn't be, and the 200th anniversary is coming up this year.

World War I & II
- An assassination sparked the first World War. We were told that Canadians were basically considered as disposable by the Commonwealth, so we were left to the more hopelessly dangerous tasks. We ended up taking Vimy Ridge, though.
- Severe economic depression (Treaty of Versailles) led to Hitler's popularity, demonization of the Jews, and eventually World War II. We learned that the Soviets attacked from one side while the Allies attacked from the other. However, we also got the whole "Japan awoke the sleeping giant" thing, but the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were seen as a very, very bad reaction and complete overkill.

We never covered Vietnam, except to say that the Americans lost and won't admit it.
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16-12-2011, 04:28 PM
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
When I was at school there wasn't a lot of talk about wars. Until 8th grade war was only a small topic in history class, about the Romans, French, very little of crusades.
Grade 9 and 10 was packed with WW2 - now guess where I am from Wink

So what we were taught for two entire years was mostly how Hitler (who by the way wasn't even German) got the power he had and how he made Germans go to war for him. A bit about his life and reasons and how he was in public, about his charisma that most people couldn't resist. We learned a lot about how life was during those times of the war, even for those not affected as bad, about how he seperated Germans and favoured those who were the clean race of "Arier" that he thought would be the perfect German, about Jews and how some were hidden etc. About concentration camps and what exactly happened there (yes in detail) and we even visited a concentration camp for a day and got to see everything there (weird to walk around and look at places where you know so many many people have been tortured and killed)
And of course we learned how it ended, with France, America, Russia, UK, kinda rescuing Germany and splitting it in zones.

In my opinion it was a little overkill on the topic. They pretty much left out everything else that might have been interesting for history class and kept teaching us WW2 for 2 years.
I mean, yeah, it is important to know the past and mistakes of your country because you don't want to have some things happen again. But that was so too much on the topic. Would have been enough to compress all that in a few intense lessons and then have a test on it.

hope I didn't bore you too much with this. But kinda hit a nerve with this topic.

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16-12-2011, 05:41 PM
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
(15-12-2011 10:55 PM)El-ahrairah Wrote:  World history according to my French Canadian history class

War of 1812
- Americans, convinced that conquering their nearest British neighbour would be a cake-walk, burned down our Parliament. We retaliated by traveling to Washington and burning down their White House (which, we were told, was pink at the time. If that's the case, then you're welcome). Long story short, they failed miserably. It is a great source of pride among Canadians, though it probably shouldn't be, and the 200th anniversary is coming up this year.

This paragraph surprised me a little. I find that I can't remember being taught much detail about the War of 1812, except I had it in my head that it was the British who attacked the US as a way of trying to get back their colonial power (I'm not saying I remember being taught this in school, but it's in my thoughts, so the information must have come from somewhere). Oh, but of course Team America kicked ass in retaliation for attacking Washington, DC.
Oh, and this song became a quaint piece of Americana:





You've got to like a war that produces such a great little ditty as this:

BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS
(Written by Jimmy Driftwood)
Johnny Horton


In 1814, we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip'.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans.

We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more, and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We looked down the river and we see'd the British come
and there musta' been a hundred of 'em beating on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made their bugles ring
We stood beside our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

We fired our guns, and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Ole Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'till we look 'em in the eyes.
We held our fire 'til we seen their faces swell
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and really gave 'em... Well..

We fired our guns, and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Well they ran through the briars, and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls and powdered his behind,
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Well they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

hup, two, three, four.
sound, off, three, four.
hup, two, three, four.

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17-12-2011, 04:19 AM
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
Actually, the war of 1812-14 between Canada and the U.S.A. was instigated by an agressive U.S. administration who wanted to rule all of North America after defeating the British some 70 years previous. They still viewed the British colony to their north as a threat. They mostly wanted to eradicate British colonial influence on their plans for the far west. The British at the time were co-operating with the native north american tribes to attain settlements, while the Americans were pretty much just taking the land by force and/or deceit. This is why the native Indians joined the British troops in fighting the Americans. As far as I know, the Americans never touched the Canadian Parliament; I have no idea where that myth came from. It is true that British troops burned the American Congress and/or Whitehouse to the ground along with much of Washington, D.C. at the end of this war, which the U.S. obviously lost, since today I am Canadian with all of my slanted views on these conflicts based upon what I was taught about them in a Canadian school where the picture of our Queen was always on the wall. Had the U.S. won that war, Canada would not exist. The British troops who landed on American shores and burned the Capitol to the ground were freshly arrived from defeating Napoleon in France. In other words, battle-hardened professionals who the American militias of the day (two generations after the war of Independence) had no hope of defeating.

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17-12-2011, 09:27 AM (This post was last modified: 17-12-2011 09:31 AM by FSM_scot.)
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
Im don't think the american revolution is taught in british schools. From what i remember they focused mainly on WWII and the effect it had at home, the biltz etc and a bit about the jacobite rebellions.

Then again i never studied history after my 2nd year of secondary school, plus the education system is different here from the rest of the uk.

Maybe hughsie or Tazmin studied history and can inform us what history is taught down south.

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17-12-2011, 09:30 AM (This post was last modified: 17-12-2011 09:38 AM by Erxomai.)
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
(17-12-2011 09:27 AM)FSM_scot Wrote:  Im don't think the american revolution is taught in british schools. From what i remember they focused mainly on WWII and the effect it had at home, the biltz etc and a bit about the jacobite rebellions.

Then again i never studied history after my 2nd year of secondary school, plus the education system is defferent here from the rest of the uk.

Maybe hughsie or Tazmin studied history and can inform us what history is taught down south.

My knowledge of Scottish War history comes from the same guy I referred to earlier in the thread who gave me my knowledge of Australian Future War History.

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17-12-2011, 05:56 PM
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The best way to learn Scottish history is from watching that movie, filmed in Ireland, it gets the scots and the celts mixed up and has an Australian playing the main character.

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17-12-2011, 10:18 PM
 
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
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The best way to learn Scottish history is from watching that movie, filmed in Ireland, it gets the scots and the celts mixed up and has an Australian playing the main character.

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[/quote ]At this point I am glad I have Armenian anceastors, to partly hide the shame of being related to barbaric tribesmen that wore paint on their bodies...While the rest of the world was building grand pieces of engineering, studying philosophy, science, mathematics and writing literature. *sigh*
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22-12-2011, 07:51 PM (This post was last modified: 22-12-2011 07:55 PM by tazmin98.)
RE: What were you taught about wars in your classrooms? Bias for your country.
(17-12-2011 05:56 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  The best way to learn Scottish history is from watching that movie, filmed in Ireland, it gets the scots and the celts mixed up and has an Australian playing the main character.

FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!

As much as I like Braveheart. I don't think you should take a history lesson from a movie. What I learned from my History Class is that the movie has a very different interpretation of William Wallace from the History Books. I do wish Mel Gibson stayed true to the facts(though I don't think he would, he has a reputation of being anti-English and has smeared the English in a false representation of history (Gallipoli, Mutiny On The Bounty, Braveheart and, worst of all The Patriot, which depicted the English committing atrocities which were actually committed by the Nazis during WW2).. Oh well, you can't please everybody.

I am wondering if Mel Gibson has something against horses because it seems in every scene, horses died. -_-'

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22-12-2011, 07:52 PM
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(22-12-2011 07:51 PM)tazmin98 Wrote:  I am wondering if Mel Gibson has something against horses because it seems in every scene, horses died. -_-'

Someone told him Horses are Jewish.

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