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18-11-2015, 03:10 PM
RE: What/who is Yahweh?
This is a funny article: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily...he-hyksos/

Essentially, it says that the Jews were Hysos, and that is according to ancient historians who weren't engaging in exercises in politica correctness. This means that back then, even if this isn't actually entirely "true", there was no big "problem" like there is today in saying that the "Jews" were from Armenia and were therefor Aryans. And also that they worshipped a god figure of a big hunter called Hayk. Today we can't say that for reasons of political correctness and we have to make comments as in the article that this whole account of the expulsion of the Hyksos may be incorrect because the "Jews" weren't a ruling class. But that means taking another work, the Old Testament, written even later than the ones criticized in the article, as "history".

It's amazing how modern writers just have to engage in this kind of hypocrisy.
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18-11-2015, 05:39 PM
RE: What/who is Yahweh?
Yahweh is Chuck Norris father. That explains a lot.Thumbsup

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18-11-2015, 05:50 PM
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(18-11-2015 03:10 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  This is a funny article: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily...he-hyksos/

Essentially, it says that the Jews were Hysos, and that is according to ancient historians who weren't engaging in exercises in politica correctness. This means that back then, even if this isn't actually entirely "true", there was no big "problem" like there is today in saying that the "Jews" were from Armenia and were therefor Aryans. And also that they worshipped a god figure of a big hunter called Hayk. Today we can't say that for reasons of political correctness and we have to make comments as in the article that this whole account of the expulsion of the Hyksos may be incorrect because the "Jews" weren't a ruling class. But that means taking another work, the Old Testament, written even later than the ones criticized in the article, as "history".

It's amazing how modern writers just have to engage in this kind of hypocrisy.

Wrong. Amazing how idiots try to rationalize their nonsense. The reason no one says that today, (other than fiction writers/dot connectors such as yourself) is that it's just not true. Any scholar that could actually PROVE it would make a sensation. On the other hand, people who regularly just make up shit, are dismissed as nut cases. Guess what ?

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18-11-2015, 11:10 PM (This post was last modified: 18-11-2015 11:23 PM by Deltabravo.)
RE: What/who is Yahweh?
(18-11-2015 05:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 03:10 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  This is a funny article: http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily...he-hyksos/

Essentially, it says that the Jews were Hysos, and that is according to ancient historians who weren't engaging in exercises in politica correctness. This means that back then, even if this isn't actually entirely "true", there was no big "problem" like there is today in saying that the "Jews" were from Armenia and were therefor Aryans. And also that they worshipped a god figure of a big hunter called Hayk. Today we can't say that for reasons of political correctness and we have to make comments as in the article that this whole account of the expulsion of the Hyksos may be incorrect because the "Jews" weren't a ruling class. But that means taking another work, the Old Testament, written even later than the ones criticized in the article, as "history".

It's amazing how modern writers just have to engage in this kind of hypocrisy.

Wrong. Amazing how idiots try to rationalize their nonsense. The reason no one says that today, (other than fiction writers/dot connectors such as yourself) is that it's just not true. Any scholar that could actually PROVE it would make a sensation. On the other hand, people who regularly just make up shit, are dismissed as nut cases. Guess what ?


You are the biggest "dot connector" here with your OT bible studies. What kind of atheist spends his time posting about the Bible or takes a degree, let alone a PhD in religion as you claim. You are the revisionist, not me. You are the denier. Stories in books were written to prop up the ruling class. Poor, underprivileged classes didn't get to construct the history of their "people".

And, once again, you fail to answer the question, which is who were the Jews and their god figure, because they weren't what we think of them today. Jerusalem is named after their god, Heru or Horus. Their is no getting around that. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees so he was an Aryan. Actually, he didn't exist at all. Abraham is an example of a made up name to represent a people, the people of the Ram. Ab means "of" and he was supposedly originally called Abram. Until, of course, he was told by god that he should change his name, engage in bigamy and enslave women to produce a slave class.

You can go on and on about what the word means but religions didn't originally come from books. No one sat down among a lot of illiterate people, write up a book and then told them what to believe. It happened organically over time and looking at books is a waste of time, and in your case, a waste of a life. There was no Kind David. This is a reference to the people who worshipped the Dau or Tao, the phallic cross. There was no Solomon. This is a reference to sun worship. It's all just stories written by the same type of writers as wrote the Greek god myths but for a different crew of ruling people.

The Old Testament justifies sex slavery, slavery, bigamy, subjugation of women, animal sacrifice, family incest, religious intolerance, false history and racism.

Yahweh means "asshole".
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19-11-2015, 03:46 AM
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(18-11-2015 10:37 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  This is a growing level of damaged behavior on this fellow.

He came out of the box broken. Dodgy

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19-11-2015, 03:56 AM
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Who is Yehwhh? This, >

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19-11-2015, 04:15 AM
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(18-11-2015 11:10 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  You are the biggest "dot connector" here with your OT bible studies. What kind of atheist spends his time posting about the Bible or takes a degree, let alone a PhD in religion as you claim. You are the revisionist, not me. You are the denier. Stories in books were written to prop up the ruling class. Poor, underprivileged classes didn't get to construct the history of their "people".
The kind who actually cares about scientific research? Christ.

Quote:And, once again, you fail to answer the question, which is who were the Jews and their god figure, because they weren't what we think of them today. Jerusalem is named after their god, Heru or Horus. Their is no getting around that. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees so he was an Aryan. Actually, he didn't exist at all. Abraham is an example of a made up name to represent a people, the people of the Ram. Ab means "of" and he was supposedly originally called Abram. Until, of course, he was told by god that he should change his name, engage in bigamy and enslave women to produce a slave class.
Citation?

Quote:You can go on and on about what the word means but religions didn't originally come from books. No one sat down among a lot of illiterate people, write up a book and then told them what to believe. It happened organically over time and looking at books is a waste of time, and in your case, a waste of a life. There was no Kind David. This is a reference to the people who worshipped the Dau or Tao, the phallic cross. There was no Solomon. This is a reference to sun worship. It's all just stories written by the same type of writers as wrote the Greek god myths but for a different crew of ruling people.

The Old Testament justifies sex slavery, slavery, bigamy, subjugation of women, animal sacrifice, family incest, religious intolerance, false history and racism.

Yahweh means "asshole".

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16-04-2016, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 16-04-2016 01:20 PM by Deltabravo.)
RE: What/who is Yahweh?
(28-08-2012 06:35 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It's a long story.

Yahweh is the "realized" (phonetic) form of the "tetragramaton", (ie 4 letters), (YHWH), ... YaHWeH ... which represented the Hebrew deity, commonly called the Abrahamic god, or in the West, just, .. God.
Some say the shortened form, without the vowels inserted, is/was a mark of respect, and that they did not want to actually pronounce the real name. There is some evidence that may not be the whole story.

The first time the name is used in the bible is Genesis 2:4. BUT, the books of the Bible were NOT written in the order we have them today. So the naming of the god in Job is important, and I don't have that information, in terms of translational texts. I'd have to look that up, and see what they called that god. I don't remember. The first chronological use is Genesis, which in the Hebrew version, is YHWH-Elohim, (which is translated, "Lord God"), thereby loosing all it's historic meaning and context. There is a lot of controversy about what this means, but it's fairly clear that the Judean priests, (since there are so many other elements of the Sumerian myths in Genesis), took the council of gods in Sumeria, (the Elohim, plural), and identified it purposely with the Yahweh god, into a singular being. So basically it's the god of the Old Testament. When the Moses stories where written, they had Moses ask the name of the god, and he self-identifies himself as Yahweh. Thus the authors created, a heretofore non connected myth, with the new one, by use of the name.

How, and why that got to be that way, is rather complicated.
In short, the idea, probably originated in the Sumerian myth system, (it was found as one of the 70 sons of El Elyon), in the Enuma Elish, (the Sumerian Creation myth), found in the Royal Library in Ashurbanipal, by archaeologists, near ancient Nineveh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Ashurbanipal , in the mid 1800's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1

Yahweh, for much of the time had a wife, (Ashera, or Ashura).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah

How, and why THIS god got assigned to the Hebrew peoples, (or they assigned it to themselves), has to do with the fact that Yahweh was the god of the armies, (you probably have heard "Lord of Hosts"), if you are a religious/church attending person. (A "host" is an assembled army) and they wanted help in the battles with their neighbors.

So that the basics.
Watch this video, if you care to. It has some of the Yahweh history. (Some of the video is not quite correct, but the origins parts are).

I group this information, in my head, as the Northern Sources, (the Babylonian/Sumerian) myth sources, as Babylonia/Assyria was to the North and East of Ancient Israel.
Actually even that name Isra-EL, retains some derivative relationship with the "EL" gods in the ancient myths, as does "Beth-EL", (Bethel), which we see all over the place today. Beth El was a site in the old Northern kingdom where Yahweh was worshiped.

There was also another god, (combo), called Javeh, which came from Southern Canaan, and the Jordan Valley. Javeh was the Edomite "mountain god", and is also thought to have origins associated with the Egyptian "volcano god". These traditions had within them the Moses stories, and so the origins of Moses, (Mosheh was a common Egyptian name), came from the South, and some from Egypt.

When the Judean priests were assembling the texts and myths, (around 550-575 BCE), of Genesis, they combined the materials .. which came from about 5 sources, in some ways, which are known, leaving many of the origins evident still in the texts. Scholars have known about this for about 150 years, and there isn't much dispute about it, except in very fundamentalist schools, who deny it all, a priori.





If you're interested in Mythology, I did a longer version of the context :

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ins?page=2

Karen Armstrong wrote a good book, called "The History of God", which isn't bad. It also has a video fomat.

Yes, good video. It pinpoints the god being up in the sky. They climbed a ladder or mountain to speak to him He was up in the sky. The male sky figure is Orion. The Caananites were Armenians.

It's nonsensical to talk about "myths" being created while at the same time talkig about climbing ladders and mountains to talk to this god unless you are talking about a visible figure in the sky.

I mean, otherwise, how does it work? "so, why you up that ladder, Ziggy?" "well, I know god is an entirely metaphysical creature inhabiting a world that none of us can see or have knowledge of, but I figured I'd give the ladder a try."

I find this talk about God being Yahweh, and then we have to look at other myths and legends to be a bunch of hokum. It never gets to grips with the fact that these people looked up at the sky and interpreted it in a way we don't. Later peoples and intelligent thinkers regarded this as all nonsense, that god lived in the sky. That is why Christian writers come along and make the Jesus figure a preacher of a god who is the "logos", and patently, obviously, NOT a sky figure but a philosophical construction, for which the Romans have him crucified in a way which mocks the religion of the "Jews". That is why there is all this talk of Christianity being mythical and Jesus being unhistorical, because we have people like Carrier not seeing that the myth he is talking about is from Judaism, that the Jews worshipped the "Christ", ie, Karas or Horus who is a mythical star constellation figure.

This is the real issue in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The oldest religion of them is pagan Horus worship but since the Romans took the Christ figure and converted him into a real man with a message of peace, what do you have left in the Near East? Some people converted to this new reason-, peace-based religion, but the rest did not and they were left, after the diaspora, with a mix of religions, the old Abrahamistic ritual based religion, Christians and Zoroastrians. Then some Arabs came up with the idea of writing a book, the Koran, to consolidate the old Abrahamistic religion and use it to unify the people who did not convert to Roman Christianity and kept their pagan ritualistic religion. This became Islam but is really closes to the old religion which we now say was Judaism, but is simply a monotheism with a male god figure who is vengeful and lives in the sky.
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16-04-2016, 01:51 PM
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I once read Yhwh was the fratricidal maniac god who killed 69+ other gods.

Really glad it's all fiction.

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16-04-2016, 02:04 PM (This post was last modified: 16-04-2016 02:57 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(18-11-2015 11:10 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(18-11-2015 05:50 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Wrong. Amazing how idiots try to rationalize their nonsense. The reason no one says that today, (other than fiction writers/dot connectors such as yourself) is that it's just not true. Any scholar that could actually PROVE it would make a sensation. On the other hand, people who regularly just make up shit, are dismissed as nut cases. Guess what ?


You are the biggest "dot connector" here with your OT bible studies. What kind of atheist spends his time posting about the Bible or takes a degree, let alone a PhD in religion as you claim. You are the revisionist, not me. You are the denier. Stories in books were written to prop up the ruling class. Poor, underprivileged classes didn't get to construct the history of their "people".

And, once again, you fail to answer the question, which is who were the Jews and their god figure, because they weren't what we think of them today. Jerusalem is named after their god, Heru or Horus. Their is no getting around that. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees so he was an Aryan. Actually, he didn't exist at all. Abraham is an example of a made up name to represent a people, the people of the Ram. Ab means "of" and he was supposedly originally called Abram. Until, of course, he was told by god that he should change his name, engage in bigamy and enslave women to produce a slave class.

You can go on and on about what the word means but religions didn't originally come from books. No one sat down among a lot of illiterate people, write up a book and then told them what to believe. It happened organically over time and looking at books is a waste of time, and in your case, a waste of a life. There was no Kind David. This is a reference to the people who worshipped the Dau or Tao, the phallic cross. There was no Solomon. This is a reference to sun worship. It's all just stories written by the same type of writers as wrote the Greek god myths but for a different crew of ruling people.

The Old Testament justifies sex slavery, slavery, bigamy, subjugation of women, animal sacrifice, family incest, religious intolerance, false history and racism.

Yahweh means "asshole".

I've already debunked your nonsense about where Jerusalem was named. Your dementia is rearing it's ugly head. You seem to have forgotten that. NOT ONE scholar or historian agrees with your made up nonsense of how Jerusalem got its name.

Yahweh was the deity. The PEOPLE who (supposedly) acted in his name *may* have been the assholes. Actually, it was pretty much all about survival then. Since you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about History, even talking to you is a complete waste of time.

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