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10-09-2014, 01:54 PM (This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 02:00 PM by One Above All.)
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

Your opinions and emotions are irrelevant to reality.
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10-09-2014, 01:57 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

What you leave behind will survive you. Others memories of you, physical belongings, etc.
When you die you are dead, you won't know you're dead, you won't feel bad about it, and you won't have a memory of ever existing.
Remember how you hated not existing before you were born? It's like that.
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10-09-2014, 01:58 PM
Re: RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doe
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

Wiped out of existence? Not sure what that entails but sure.. Yes. So what?

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10-09-2014, 01:59 PM (This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 02:04 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

There is no mechanism for post-mortem preservation.
No organism we know of has achieved immortality, (whatever that means).
The quality of existence matters a great deal to those ALIVE and existing at the time they exist, and to those they loved and cared about, and those who cared about them after they die. (I care a great deal about family members I know who made quality lives for themselves, and those who followed them).
Your argument is called "reductio ad absurdam", and is totally false. The fact they cease to exist at some point is irrelevant, UNLESS as one of your premises you posit meaning ONLY for those who are immortal. Would it matter if I beat my dog to point of death every day for years until it finally died ? Yes. Does it matter that Hitler gassed the Jews ? You're saying it didn't.

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10-09-2014, 02:00 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
Please explain
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10-09-2014, 02:03 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
Explain what ?

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10-09-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 01:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

There is no mechanism for post-mortem preservation.
No organism we know of has achieved immortality, (whatever that means).

I dunno, Bucky, the Immortal Jellyfish is pretty close to the mark.

It's not passed the mark yet, but it's pretty close to it.

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10-09-2014, 02:22 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 01:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 01:46 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  I mean the point of existing is seen only by those who exist but if truly existence will eventually lead to non existences then the point seen by those who existed wouldn't matter, because "matter" is an existing concept
For if it is true that God doesn't exist wouldn't it mean we get wiped out of existence at the point of death

There is no mechanism for post-mortem preservation.
No organism we know of has achieved immortality, (whatever that means).
The quality of existence matters a great deal to those ALIVE and existing at the time they exist, and to those they loved and cared about, and those who cared about them after they die. (I care a great deal about family members I know who made quality lives for themselves, and those who followed them).
Your argument is called "reductio ad absurdam", and is totally false. The fact they cease to exist at some point is irrelevant, UNLESS as one of your premises you posit meaning ONLY for those who are immortal. Would it matter if I beat my dog to point of death every day for years until it finally died ? Yes. Does it matter that Hitler gassed the Jews ? You're saying it didn't.

yes the dog is dead it doesn't care, and the person who beat it to death wouldn't care when he eventually dies.
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10-09-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
Your opinions and emotions are irrelevant to reality.
Any actual, non-fallacious, arguments? Drinking Beverage
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why do you say so?
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10-09-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: What will be the point of discussing God's existence if he actually doesn't exit
(10-09-2014 02:22 PM)doctorstrange247 Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 01:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is no mechanism for post-mortem preservation.
No organism we know of has achieved immortality, (whatever that means).
The quality of existence matters a great deal to those ALIVE and existing at the time they exist, and to those they loved and cared about, and those who cared about them after they die. (I care a great deal about family members I know who made quality lives for themselves, and those who followed them).
Your argument is called "reductio ad absurdam", and is totally false. The fact they cease to exist at some point is irrelevant, UNLESS as one of your premises you posit meaning ONLY for those who are immortal. Would it matter if I beat my dog to point of death every day for years until it finally died ? Yes. Does it matter that Hitler gassed the Jews ? You're saying it didn't.

yes the dog is dead it doesn't care, and the person who beat it to death wouldn't care when he eventually dies.

It did care when it was being beaten. That is as real as anything later. You're assuming something is real ONLY if it lasts forever. It's real when it's real.

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