What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
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10-01-2014, 02:36 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(09-01-2014 11:37 AM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  No life on earth. Or very little. Most species requiring fresh water would be killed. Most species requiring salt water would be killed by the dilution of the planet's saltwater. And all land creatures would have died, including those on the ark, which would have been a sewage nightmare within hours. The inhabitants to the ark would have died of starvation within weeks. If that.

Plus no trees once the waters went down.

So, if the Great Flood story were true and it happened roughly 5,000-10,000 years ago, I would expect, pretty much, a desolate planet.

Not entirely sure that most aquatic life would be dead from salt water dilution. If the fresh and salt water already on the planet combined, I'm sure almost all fresh water fish would die, but I think there would be enough salt in the oceans for many saltwater creatures. Less than 3% of the water on earth is fresh. Of course some would die while the waters were being mixed, maybe getting into a low salt area for a bit or something.

Now if water were added to cover the entire planet, I don't know how saline the resulting ocean would be, but it would also significantly change the energy exchange of the planet.
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10-01-2014, 10:34 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
RMS TITANIC
Height: 175 ft
Length: 882 ft
Width: 92 ft
Construction: steel
Capacity: 3547 people and enough provisions for a couple weeks
Time at sea: 5 days

Noah's ark
Height: 45 ft
Length: 450 ft
Width: 75 ft
Construction: wood
Capacity: over 50,000 animals, 2 million insects, 8 people, a 600 year old man, and enough provisions for 1 year
Time at sea: 7 months

Perspective:
San Diego wild animal park
3000 animals
1800 acres
500 employees

Noah's Ark
50,000+ animals
1 boat
8 people

There it is folks. That stuff never happened.

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10-01-2014, 10:42 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
There would be no trees, so how long would oxygen last for the creatures still alive that take oxygen from the air?
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10-01-2014, 10:48 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(10-01-2014 10:42 AM)slydog Wrote:  There would be no trees, so how long would oxygen last for the creatures still alive that take oxygen from the air?

Hell, how would the atmospheric pressure be affecting you by floating on a body of water 5km higher than current sea levels? Consider

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10-01-2014, 11:36 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
Let's consider some other points. The cheetah is a threatened animal. It has poor genetic variation. As a result it has poor sperm quality and a low sperm count.

One of the experiments done to prove this was skin grafting. In our bodies we have a protein cell called a HGC. This is what our body uses to identify foreign bodies from our own. When you hear that an organ donee rejected the organ, they're talking bout these cells detecting that the incoming organ is foreign.

So they performed skin grafts on a bunch of cheetah's from different locations around the world. The sample size was only 30 but the results were rather scary. Only 4 cheetah rejected the skin coming from other cheetah. This has led to scientists believing that there must have been a sever bottle neck in the cheetah species some 10 thousand years ago to account for the poor genetic variety. They estimate the population when all the way down to about 100 thousand.

Now the flood story claims that each species was reduced to just 2 of each. The male and the female. We know that this can't be true because of the vast genetic variation we find in animal species today. No such thing happened! There is a massive genetic variation in us too. There's no way we were reduced to 8 Arabs or 8 anything in fact.

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10-01-2014, 11:40 AM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(10-01-2014 11:36 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Let's consider some other points. The cheetah is a threatened animal. It has poor genetic variation. As a result it has poor sperm quality and a low sperm count.

One of the experiments done to prove this was skin grafting. In our bodies we have a protein cell called a HGC. This is what our body uses to identify foreign bodies from our own. When you hear that an organ donee rejected the organ, they're talking bout these cells detecting that the incoming organ is foreign.

So they performed skin grafts on a bunch of cheetah's from different locations around the world. The sample size was only 30 but the results were rather scary. Only 4 cheetah rejected the skin coming from other cheetah. This has led to scientists believing that there must have been a sever bottle neck in the cheetah species some 10 thousand years ago to account for the poor genetic variety. They estimate the population when all the way down to about 100 thousand.

Now the flood story claims that each species was reduced to just 2 of each. The male and the female. We know that this can't be true because of the vast genetic variation we find in animal species today. No such thing happened! There is a massive genetic variation in us too. There's no way we were reduced to 8 Arabs or 8 anything in fact.

The flood story fails at every level. There should be massive amounts of evidence for it (had it happened) and there is none. The simple fact is there is no way it could have happened.

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10-01-2014, 11:54 AM (This post was last modified: 10-01-2014 06:19 PM by Reltzik.)
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(10-01-2014 10:48 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(10-01-2014 10:42 AM)slydog Wrote:  There would be no trees, so how long would oxygen last for the creatures still alive that take oxygen from the air?

Hell, how would the atmospheric pressure be affecting you by floating on a body of water 5km higher than current sea levels? Consider

Slydog: Depends how many creatures were alive. If the answer is "4.5 plus-or-minus 2.5 of each kind", then a pretty damn long time. Longer than a population too small to form a genetically viable base could endure, though eventually the free oxygen would bond with stuff and leave the atmosphere anyway. But enough oxygen would be left over from before that it could supply that population for a really, really long time.

EvolutionKills: If that's the height of Mt. Ararat? Not too badly. The air pressure during such a flood at the height of the water level would be about the same as sea level under normal conditions. In the least-analysis scenario where air pressure during the flood at any given location would be identical to air pressure nowadays at that location, at 5km)the atmosphere doesn't change at all and people are stuck breathing the air at the height of Mt. Ararat, which is quite breathable. We might have trouble if we went back to positing that even Mt. Everest was covered (8.8 km), where people and many animals need oxygen tanks to endure properly.

But there's an added factor: All the atmosphere currently below those altitudes would have been displaced upwards. Air "floats" on water, and as water rises so would the atmosphere. Under this analysis, the air pressure would actually be identical to what's at sea level today, insofar as we can use "actually" to apply to such an obvious fiction.

These two variants (same as currently at sea level versus same as currently at that altitude) are oversimplifications, but do serve as respective low and high estimates, and both are fairly survivable (at least at 5km). There are two more factors to consider, but my gut tells me that they wouldn't have been a big issue.

Next up: Volume versus area. Because the Earth is fairly spherical, raising the atmosphere would cause it to spread out (as the surface area it is now covering is larger), which would result in a drop in air pressure. Earth's mean radius is about 6370km. We can argue a bit over what amounts to the Earth's atmosphere (there isn't an exact boundary where air ends and vacuum begins), but a fairly standard number for the depth of the present atmosphere is 100km. Using the volume formula for spheres, we calculate the volume of a sphere 6470 km in radius and subtract the volume of a sphere 6370 km in radius to arrive at a current atmospheric volume of 51.8 billion cubic km. If we add 5 km to the "smaller" radius, and find the outer radius that gives us the same volume as a result, we get that the flood atmosphere would have a depth of about 99.84 km.... a quarter of a percent of difference. By this analysis, the pressure at 5km of flood would be the same as that 250m above sea level nowadays, which isn't bad at all. An 8.8 km flood would give us air pressure equivalent to 470m above sea level, again quite manageable.

Of course, that analysis assumes that the mass of the air is evenly distributed across the 100 km of atmospheric depth, which isn't true at all. Most of it is located near our level. I don't have the numbers to run this calculation, but it would shift things towards saying "sea level pressure during a hypothetical flood is the same as sea level pressure now", which isn't where the difficulty lies.

This would similarly affect temperatures at various altitudes, so they wouldn't be freezing on the ark.

There's a million arguments to explain why Noah's flood doesn't make sense, but these ain't them. They're perfectly reasonable to propose and skeptify about, but don't produce a serious problem when you chug through the numbers. (Yes, "skeptify" is a word now.) Thanks for the fun math problem! Smartass

(Any amateur meteorologist care to speculate what kind of hurricanes would form over a world-spanning ocean, and any engineers care to speculate how well the ark would survive them? Also, what kind of ocean currents would have formed, and where would the ark have actually ended up after floating for as long as it supposedly did?)
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10-01-2014, 02:57 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(10-01-2014 11:36 AM)BlackMason Wrote:  Let's consider some other points. The cheetah is a threatened animal. It has poor genetic variation. As a result it has poor sperm quality and a low sperm count.

One of the experiments done to prove this was skin grafting. In our bodies we have a protein cell called a HGC. This is what our body uses to identify foreign bodies from our own. When you hear that an organ donee rejected the organ, they're talking bout these cells detecting that the incoming organ is foreign.

So they performed skin grafts on a bunch of cheetah's from different locations around the world. The sample size was only 30 but the results were rather scary. Only 4 cheetah rejected the skin coming from other cheetah. This has led to scientists believing that there must have been a sever bottle neck in the cheetah species some 10 thousand years ago to account for the poor genetic variety. They estimate the population when all the way down to about 100 thousand.

Now the flood story claims that each species was reduced to just 2 of each. The male and the female. We know that this can't be true because of the vast genetic variation we find in animal species today. No such thing happened! There is a massive genetic variation in us too. There's no way we were reduced to 8 Arabs or 8 anything in fact.

Lions are similar, though not as closely related as most cheetahs. They have poor sperm quality and count as well.
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10-01-2014, 03:30 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
So much stuff goes into thinking about such a simple story... very interesting read

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10-01-2014, 04:25 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
You would find absolutly nothing. none, nichts, nowhere.

Because the a flood that would have covered all of land would have caused every thing on the arc to suffercate.

And the extreme lack of oxygen would have probably killed off most of the sealife aswell.

So there wouldn`t be a you, to search for anything.

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