What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
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10-01-2014, 05:16 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
The flood would cover the tallest mountain,and thats mnt everest.
Mnt.Everest=8850meter
only 40 days
so it had to rain
8870m/(40*24)=9.2meter/day
that is
9.2/60=0.15meter/minute

and this is enough to crash an aircraft,so how did the friggin ark survive


and the record rainfall also never tipped at this noah ark thingy

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10-01-2014, 05:24 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(not sure)
Also,since there is a inverse link(google translate,it gotta be wrong) between air pressure and rainfall (the lower the pressure,the more rainfall) how low would the pressure been before the flood

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10-01-2014, 05:37 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
That's like asking "What would air flight actually be like if little boys could fly around on brooms like Harry Potter"

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10-01-2014, 05:56 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(10-01-2014 05:16 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  The flood would cover the tallest mountain,and thats mnt everest.
Mnt.Everest=8850meter
only 40 days
so it had to rain
8870m/(40*24)=9.2meter/day
that is
9.2/60=0.15meter/minute

and this is enough to crash an aircraft,so how did the friggin ark survive


and the record rainfall also never tipped at this noah ark thingy

*cough*

9.2 m/day * 1 day / 24 hr = .38333333333... m/hr * 1 hr / 60 min = about .0064 m / minute.
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10-01-2014, 06:15 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(09-01-2014 11:24 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://www.creationism.ws/what_if_flood.htm

Quote:What Would We Expect to Find
if the World had Flooded?

We would expect to observe a uniform, worldwide blanket of randomly sorted boulders, cobbles, sand, and silt overlain by a layer of clay. But this worldwide blanket does not exist.

We would expect to see no sorting in regard to sediment type and size. No creationist has ever explained how the Flood could have deposited layers of heavy sediment on top of layers of lighter sediment.

There would be mega-ripples everywhere such as are seen along the Columbia River formed by the rapid movement of the waters off the land surface. No mega-ripples evident.

There would be no segregation of fossils. If all organisms lived at the same time, we would expect to see trilobites, brachiopods, ammonites, dinosaurs, and mammals (including humans) all randomly mixed together in the worldwide blanket described in point #1. This is not what is observed. The fossil record exhibits an order consistent with the theory of evolution (but inconsistent with creationism).

There are at least five major extinction events, a situation where fossils are abundant below a certain line within the geological layers, but totally absent above that line. There is no way to explain these geological features with a global flood.

Igneous (volcanic) rocks, if they existed at all in flood sediments, would all be in the form of pillow lava, which are extruded underwater. In reality, there are very clearly defined volcanic layers, from which radiometric dates are obtained. So how can we have flat layers of vocanic rock, compressed between other layers, occuring during an "ultramassive flood"?

Metamorphic rocks, as they are formed from previously existing rocks, would not exist in the post-Flood geological layers because the necessary heating and cooling require millions of years for large bodies. All radioactive isotopes which would not have completely decayed away in, say 10,000 years, would exist in nature because those with a moderately short half-life would not have had time to decay.

Lets see if any YEC or bible literalist is willing to tackle all of these common sense questions.

Trees that were completely submerged in salt water would have died, so when we look at trees that are say 10,000 years old, and not only did they live past the "mythical flood' but they show zero evidence of a flood. can you find trees with evidence ? sure, that shows there was a local flood, not worldwide, submerged flod that killed all life including vegetation. Anyone familiar with barometric pressure of course will understand introducing that much magical water into our system would have wrecked it. I have heard, though I cant find the source, that all of the known water on and in the earth is not enough to have bubbled up and rained to cover the highest mountain by 40 feet..

worlds oldest tree...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...104320.htm

The conventional flood story states that the flood waters came from rain that lasted 40 days and 40 night right? Rain appears when the atmosphere can no longer support water in the vapor phase and it becomes saturated. So normally, the atmosphere is on the brink of saturation, and the variations in temperature and pressure caused by weather fronts are capable of altering the threshold at which precipitation will form quite easily. What about the amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for the 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water needed for the global flood? The water vapor currently in the air is only around 2-3% on average, with a maximum of 4% limited by temperature and pressure.

The change in atmospheric conditions required to support enough vapor for 112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day - about 120,000 times more than the current daily rainfall worldwide - would have rendered the air unbreathable.

Indeed, the atmosphere really couldn't sustain that much water even under the most extreme temperature and pressure conditions the planet can produce. If the conditions were right for that much water to be in the atmosphere, humans and virtually every other animal would have drowned through the simple act of breathing, as well as turning the earth into the equivalent of a pressure cooker with atmospheric pressure at nearly a thousand psi instead of the standard 14.7 or so that we have today.

I think A global flood would have produced evidence contrary to the evidence we see.

How do we explain the relative ages of mountains? For example, why weren't the Sierra Nevadas eroded as much as the Appalachians during the Flood?

Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. A worldwide flood would be expected to leave a layer of sediments, noticeable changes in salinity and oxygen isotope ratios, fractures from buoyancy and thermal stresses, a hiatus in trapped air bubbles, and probably other evidence. Why doesn't such evidence show up?

How are the polar ice caps even possible? Such a mass of water as the Flood would have provided sufficient buoyancy to float the polar caps off their beds and break them up. They wouldn't regrow quickly. In fact, the Greenland ice cap would not regrow under modern (last 10 ky) climatic conditions. I have heard many times just the fact that greenland exists completely refutes the great flood...makes sense to me, but I am not the brightest bulb in the box Laughat

Why did the Flood not leave traces on the sea floors? A year long flood should be recognizable in sea bottom cores by (1) an uncharacteristic amount of terrestrial detritus, (2) different grain size distributions in the sediment, (3) a shift in oxygen isotope ratios (rain has a different isotopic composition from seawater), (4) a massive extinction, and (n) other characters. Why do none of these show up?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

Why is there no evidence of a flood in tree ring dating?

just so much scientific, empirical evidence that refutes the story...in my humble clueless opinion of course.

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11-01-2014, 09:12 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
Oh, this made my evening. I love this forum. I don't think I'll be able to stop laughing the next time one of my family members seriously mentions "The Flood".
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12-01-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(09-01-2014 11:24 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://www.creationism.ws/what_if_flood.htm

Quote:What Would We Expect to Find
if the World had Flooded?

We would expect to observe a uniform, worldwide blanket of randomly sorted boulders, cobbles, sand, and silt overlain by a layer of clay. But this worldwide blanket does not exist.

We would expect to see no sorting in regard to sediment type and size. No creationist has ever explained how the Flood could have deposited layers of heavy sediment on top of layers of lighter sediment.

There would be mega-ripples everywhere such as are seen along the Columbia River formed by the rapid movement of the waters off the land surface. No mega-ripples evident.

There would be no segregation of fossils. If all organisms lived at the same time, we would expect to see trilobites, brachiopods, ammonites, dinosaurs, and mammals (including humans) all randomly mixed together in the worldwide blanket described in point #1. This is not what is observed. The fossil record exhibits an order consistent with the theory of evolution (but inconsistent with creationism).

There are at least five major extinction events, a situation where fossils are abundant below a certain line within the geological layers, but totally absent above that line. There is no way to explain these geological features with a global flood.

Igneous (volcanic) rocks, if they existed at all in flood sediments, would all be in the form of pillow lava, which are extruded underwater. In reality, there are very clearly defined volcanic layers, from which radiometric dates are obtained. So how can we have flat layers of vocanic rock, compressed between other layers, occuring during an "ultramassive flood"?

Metamorphic rocks, as they are formed from previously existing rocks, would not exist in the post-Flood geological layers because the necessary heating and cooling require millions of years for large bodies. All radioactive isotopes which would not have completely decayed away in, say 10,000 years, would exist in nature because those with a moderately short half-life would not have had time to decay.

Lets see if any YEC or bible literalist is willing to tackle all of these common sense questions.

Uniformitarianism
“The present is the key to the past.”
Uniformitarianism, first postulated by James Hutton in 1795, proposes three primary concepts:
a) there were no processes (such as geologic processes) operating in the past which are not operating now;
b) there are no processes operating now which were not operating in the past; and
c) process rates have not changed.

Because modern scientists observe geologic change to be relatively slow now, many have naturally concluded that geologic processes have always been slow. Yet uniformitarianism, a premise on which much of geologic science is based, is an idea, not a fact.
With our limited knowledge, it presently is a powerful paradigm for examining the earth, and given our ignorance of how the Lord has done things, it does help explain many things. The science that uses the idea has found for us such things as gas, oil, and certain types of minerals.

Yet although uniformitarianism is a powerful perspective, it is still a premise, not a fact.
Uniformitarianism cannot explain all of the oddities and anomalies about the earth.

Further, it neglects a God who can speak and have the dust of the earth obey, who can move mountains at will, and who can divide the Red Sea.

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12-01-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
(12-01-2014 02:28 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-01-2014 11:24 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://www.creationism.ws/what_if_flood.htm


Lets see if any YEC or bible literalist is willing to tackle all of these common sense questions.

Uniformitarianism
“The present is the key to the past.”
Uniformitarianism, first postulated by James Hutton in 1795, proposes three primary concepts:
a) there were no processes (such as geologic processes) operating in the past which are not operating now;
b) there are no processes operating now which were not operating in the past; and
c) process rates have not changed.

Because modern scientists observe geologic change to be relatively slow now, many have naturally concluded that geologic processes have always been slow. Yet uniformitarianism, a premise on which much of geologic science is based, is an idea, not a fact.
With our limited knowledge, it presently is a powerful paradigm for examining the earth, and given our ignorance of how the Lord has done things, it does help explain many things. The science that uses the idea has found for us such things as gas, oil, and certain types of minerals.

Yet although uniformitarianism is a powerful perspective, it is still a premise, not a fact.
Uniformitarianism cannot explain all of the oddities and anomalies about the earth.

Further, it neglects a God who can speak and have the dust of the earth obey, who can move mountains at will, and who can divide the Red Sea.

Yeah, those silly scientist...they always forget about magic as a possibility.

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12-01-2014, 02:49 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
Nothing. Because pretty much all life would have died off from genetic disorders from inbreeding.
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12-01-2014, 03:00 PM
RE: What would we find if the Great Flood had actually Happened?
High water marks?
Silt lines, or some other geological evidence?

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