When Do Beliefs Deserve Respect?
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21-11-2016, 06:45 AM
When Do Beliefs Deserve Respect?
We hear quite a lot, of a demand to "respect others beliefs".

But, do we really???

Who determines, at what criteria that any particular person's beliefs is valid and deserving of respect???

Why does Christianity get the nod --- and "The Flat Earth Society" get laughed at????

They both present roughly the same amount of empirical evidence for their validity.

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21-11-2016, 06:47 AM
RE: When Do Beliefs Deserve Respect?
Respect people, not their beliefs.

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21-11-2016, 07:23 AM
RE: When Do Beliefs Deserve Respect?
(21-11-2016 06:47 AM)ukatheist Wrote:  Respect people, not their beliefs.

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But that's the problem. Everyone seems to conflate the two.

Atheists get a bad rap because we respect people above beliefs, which isn't hard because we don't respect beliefs at all-- only what can be demonstrated, at which point it's not really a belief.

When people's beliefs inform them that they have a mandate from "God" to fuck with my life, I am forced to become antagonistic toward that person and critical of their beliefs. That's usually when the demand to "respect my beliefs" comes in.

At that point, they have ceased to respect me or my intellectual integrity (or their own). Fuck that, fuck their beliefs, and fuck them.

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21-11-2016, 07:35 AM
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Oh, I agree, when someones actions, for whatever reason (religious belief or something else) stop them being worthy of respect, then by all means the person themselves should not be respected.

Its a persons actions, rather than their beliefs that determine whether they as a person should be respected.

There are certain theists on this forum who I respect, and certain atheists who I do not.

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21-11-2016, 08:02 AM
RE: When Do Beliefs Deserve Respect?
A very good question.

Could it be that the person saying this is thinking along the lines of say Methodist v Catholic, or Baptist v Lutheran, or even Shi’a v Sunni? Sure “we” disagree on specifics but the core beliefs are very similar.

For us atheists we don’t discriminate with regard to bullshit, we think they are all ridiculous and many of their teachings dangerous. We rightly feel this way based on religious thinking spilling over into secular matters as RS76 rightly points out.

Personally I do not respect any religious beliefs, the best I can do is be civil to the people I care about in spite of knowing that they embrace woo and would like to re-infect me with it. Luckily I’ve been inoculated.

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21-11-2016, 08:08 AM
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I agree with RS and uktheist.

We live in a society that respects culture and Christianity has a very deep-rooted culture. Flat-Earthers have no such culture, so we zero in on their ideas alone.

Discounting people who impose their religious beliefs on others, if someone thinks something that you believe or know to be wrong, and they’re otherwise minding their own business, then who cares what they believe? If they’re not trying to pass legislature, and they’re generally going with the flow of social norms, then why should it matter if they think that Jesus died on a cross for their sins?

Besides, they think you're wrong but they probably still respect you as person.
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21-11-2016, 08:14 AM
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(21-11-2016 06:47 AM)ukatheist Wrote:  Respect people, not their beliefs.

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This. I have a good friend who is a satanist. He's one of the funniest and most honest people i know.
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21-11-2016, 08:36 AM
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What does Patton Oswalt say?

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Fuckin' nailed it. Good job Patton, go get yourself a cookie.

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21-11-2016, 08:43 AM
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(21-11-2016 06:47 AM)ukatheist Wrote:  Respect people, not their beliefs.

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Respect people who earn respect.
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21-11-2016, 08:54 AM
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As I think about it, why should you even know what a person's beliefs are in the first place? If they're doing it right, conversation in mixed company should not include religion or politics.

The people that I casually work and study with have no idea that I'm Jewish. -Or if they know, they don't mention it. The people that I'm closer with know that I'm Jewish, but offer no accommodation to me because of my religious beliefs.
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