When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
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03-05-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Exclamation When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
San Francisco may vote on banning male circumcision

Ah, it's those bit's of confusion when someone thinks they have the right to elect to curb someone elses right to snip or not to snip their own son, by law!
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Prison scene born from certain San Franciscans ideal future:

Inmate 1: Hey man, what ya in for?
Inmate 2: I'm Jewish and I had a son!
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03-05-2011, 02:33 PM
RE: When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
Being female, I certainly am happy nobody took sharp implements to my privates when I was a helpless baby.
What makes you think parents have a right to force their children to undergo cosmetic surgical procedures? And please don't use the earlobe piercing example. A tiny hole in the ear, which closes naturally if left alone, is no comparison.

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03-05-2011, 05:06 PM
RE: When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
Rip off a foreskin seems to be fine by most people. However if you rip off a clitoral hood and inner labia thats evil.

I think it's about time there was a law to stop male genital mutilation.

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03-05-2011, 05:55 PM
RE: When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
(03-05-2011 05:06 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  Rip off a foreskin seems to be fine by most people. However if you rip off a clitoral hood and inner labia thats evil.

I think it's about time there was a law to stop male genital mutilation.

Yes, there does seem to be a double standard somewhere in there...
On the other hand, I am all in favor of adults having themselves chopped to their heart's content. Big Grin

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03-05-2011, 06:03 PM
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I know someone, as a baby, who died from shock after this so called routine procedure. So unnecessary. And if the popular thought that baby should look like daddy comes up you should seriously question that logic ( my daughter has a different eye color than me- will she grow up thinking she is ugly or not normal?)
Sorry, but just because this is something done often that doesn't make it right or necessary- or more holy.
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03-05-2011, 06:46 PM
RE: When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
I think the whole thing is based on the concept that it's MY child, I do what I want to MY child. The problem is, of course, that children don't, in fact, belong to you, they are entrusted to your care, and therefore you don't have the right to do whatever you want to that child but only what's in his/her best interest. It's been repeatedly shown that most of the purported advantages of circumcision are wildly exaggerated, while we can say that if evolution provided the human body with that part, there's probably some kind of good reason for it. And even if there wasn't... how would we feel about parents who, a few days after birth, demanded a doctor to remove the baby's appendix and tonsils, since, as we all know, we can live long and productive lives without them? Wouldn't a doctor refuse to do so unless the body part in question was clearly diseased? And wouldn't we feel even worse if the parent's excuse was that he/she was also missing the appendix or the tonsils, and wanted the kid to be just like them? Or that their religion demanded members in good standing to have no appendix or tonsils?

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03-05-2011, 07:23 PM
RE: When foreskin is on the ballot you may be in San Francisco!
The negative impact on future sex life should be taken into consideration also.

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03-05-2011, 07:25 PM
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The child should be the one deciding that when they reach age of consent. I don't believe that a parent should make such a decision that someone has to live with for the rest of their lives. Being a parent doesn't mean you OWN your childs body.

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04-05-2011, 12:31 AM
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I had a circumcision when I was 12 (medical reasons); didn't affect my life in any way.

That's why I read the proposal an noticed medical exeptions would be authorised. So all it would take to bypass the law (should it pass) is a jewish doctor stating circumcision is necessary? Tongue

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06-05-2011, 11:51 PM
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I think it should be illegal for parents to circumcise their child, unless of course the child decides to after reaching the age of reason/consent, and not including the child needing one for demonstrable medical reasons. The problem I see with the age of reason thing is that parents can brainwash their children, or coerce their children into being circumcised. Bear in mind that a parent can make their child's life a living hell until 18, and can remove the child's opportunity to go to university/college by not funding it.

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