When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
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15-10-2015, 04:28 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 01:53 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Is it immoral to simply send her off to be recycled and start all over?
You get to decide what is right or wrong based on your own criteria, assuming you feel the need to make such a judgement.

There is really no point asking others if something is wrong. It's only your own opinion that matters, unless of course you want to follow the majority of the herd.
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15-10-2015, 04:29 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
When they write stupid fucking posts such as this.

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15-10-2015, 04:32 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 03:03 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  I think that we can all agree that if she is an awake human being she deserves moral protection.

Well no, I don't agree with that.
I'm no god. It's not up to me to define morals and judge others with regards to their conformity to my own defined set of morals.

If there is a moral authority and if it is all powerful then the responsibility of "moral protection" is its own responsibility. It's not my job to enforce moral protection.
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15-10-2015, 04:34 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:14 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Ok, let me tweek you premiss a little then. Let's say your 3D printer mess up more then just giving the wrong face. Let's say this printer made a being with only 1/3 a brain. Or missed major chunks on the anatomy. A simple dump in the hopper, a little reprogramming and Bam! The being would have a new lease on life. Full brain, full cognitive abilities. It would be immoral not to give that being a second chance.

I do have a 3D printer and sometimes prints do get messed up. I have a print of an invention of mine that messed up. When I get around to it, I'm going to take the print out to my shop, and then cut the messed up portion off with my chop saw. Then I will just re-print the missing section and glue it on. In this case it is easy. The 3D printer printed my invention and it is clearly my invention, just a small section of it messed up....so I can fix it fairly easily.

I haven't thought about fixing a messed up print of a 3D human being so I am not sure how to answer your question. If the 3D print of a human being was indeed a human being I would be morally obligated to fix him or her if I could. For instance suppose I printed a human being but the left foot messed up. If I could simply cut off the bad foot and reprint new one....then I have an obligation to do that.

Suppose I was the occupant of the space station and my printer printed a girl with Down Syndrome. I would be morally obligated to wake that person and care for that person. It would be wrong for me to simply recycle her and try again.
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15-10-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 01:53 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The year is 3417 AD. You look out the window and spy the shuttle craft which just dropped you off ascending into the inky black sky. A wave of anxiety hits as you contemplate being alone on this rock for the next ten years. A month has passed and you've settled into your work routine. Solitude was actually nice for a while, but now its really getting old. It doesn't have to be this way. The life support systems on the station are capable of sustaining two adult human beings. Its time to fire up the 3d printer and print yourself up a companion.

In this day and age, the technology exist to 3d print an adult human being, complete with knowledge and set of memories. 3d printed humans have to have some history...some backstory if they are going to be able to relate to regular human beings. Once printed, they are completely indistinguishable from regular human beings. They print out in an unconscious, anesthetized state. When complete, the "creator" (for lack of a better term} engages a wake up routine and the 3d human wakes up just like any other human would wake up after being anesthetized.

You tell the printer you want a beautiful 24ish year old intelligent female. But you also want to be surprised. You let the station's AI use your porn history and web browsing history to decide the specifics characteristics based on what it predicts you will find attractive.

You wake up the next morning and the print is complete. She passed the AI's quality tests. All her organs are functioning properly. All that is left is to simply wake her up. You look upon her face and become horrified. To your dismay the station's AI got it completely wrong. The anesthetized woman is butt-ugly. Maybe she has a great personality? You frantically look at what the AI gave her. She believes she is a member of the Westboro baptist church. She likes to watch Fox News. Worst of all, she lacks any sandwich making skills. This companion simply will not do.

She isn't awake. Is it immoral to simply send her off to be recycled and start all over?


You go and watch Fox news.

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15-10-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:35 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 01:53 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The year is 3417 AD. You look out the window and spy the shuttle craft which just dropped you off ascending into the inky black sky. A wave of anxiety hits as you contemplate being alone on this rock for the next ten years. A month has passed and you've settled into your work routine. Solitude was actually nice for a while, but now its really getting old. It doesn't have to be this way. The life support systems on the station are capable of sustaining two adult human beings. Its time to fire up the 3d printer and print yourself up a companion.

In this day and age, the technology exist to 3d print an adult human being, complete with knowledge and set of memories. 3d printed humans have to have some history...some backstory if they are going to be able to relate to regular human beings. Once printed, they are completely indistinguishable from regular human beings. They print out in an unconscious, anesthetized state. When complete, the "creator" (for lack of a better term} engages a wake up routine and the 3d human wakes up just like any other human would wake up after being anesthetized.

You tell the printer you want a beautiful 24ish year old intelligent female. But you also want to be surprised. You let the station's AI use your porn history and web browsing history to decide the specifics characteristics based on what it predicts you will find attractive.

You wake up the next morning and the print is complete. She passed the AI's quality tests. All her organs are functioning properly. All that is left is to simply wake her up. You look upon her face and become horrified. To your dismay the station's AI got it completely wrong. The anesthetized woman is butt-ugly. Maybe she has a great personality? You frantically look at what the AI gave her. She believes she is a member of the Westboro baptist church. She likes to watch Fox News. Worst of all, she lacks any sandwich making skills. This companion simply will not do.

She isn't awake. Is it immoral to simply send her off to be recycled and start all over?


You go and watch Fox news.

I haven't turned on a TV in years. I only turn the TV off when the kids leave it on.
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15-10-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:34 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If the 3D print of a human being was indeed a human being I would be morally obligated to fix him or her if I could. For instance suppose I printed a human being but the left foot messed up. If I could simply cut off the bad foot and reprint new one....then I have an obligation to do that.

Suppose I was the occupant of the space station and my printer printed a girl with Down Syndrome. I would be morally obligated to wake that person and care for that person. It would be wrong for me to simply recycle her and try again.
Well there you go. You have an answer which is perfect for yourself, conforms to your own beliefs and view on the world.

So why are you asking us?
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15-10-2015, 04:41 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:38 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 04:34 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If the 3D print of a human being was indeed a human being I would be morally obligated to fix him or her if I could. For instance suppose I printed a human being but the left foot messed up. If I could simply cut off the bad foot and reprint new one....then I have an obligation to do that.

Suppose I was the occupant of the space station and my printer printed a girl with Down Syndrome. I would be morally obligated to wake that person and care for that person. It would be wrong for me to simply recycle her and try again.
Well there you go. You have an answer which is perfect for yourself, conforms to your own beliefs and view on the world.

So why are you asking us?

Laws which have some footing in morality are common decisions not individual ones.
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15-10-2015, 04:41 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:38 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 04:35 PM)Banjo Wrote:  You go and watch Fox news.

I haven't turned on a TV in years. I only turn the TV off when the kids leave it on.

Your children watch Fox news??

Why would I ever doubt it?

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15-10-2015, 04:42 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:41 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 04:38 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Well there you go. You have an answer which is perfect for yourself, conforms to your own beliefs and view on the world.

So why are you asking us?

Laws which have some footing in morality are common decisions not individual ones.

Tell that to the 12 year old's family.

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