When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
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15-10-2015, 06:23 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 05:43 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Are you also anti-euthanasia, even when the patient is terminal and in extreme pain and with no quality of life and is begging to be given some mercy?

Yes...It was wrong to kill Terri Schiavio.
How do you know what is wrong and what is right?

Does your judgement superceede any conflicting judgements that others make?
Why is your own judgement more likely to be correct than judgements made by others?


(15-10-2015 06:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  That being said, I don't have a problem if a terminally ill patient commits suicide and someone assists(by providing the drugs, equipment for instance). If the person desiring suicide is capable of communicating their wishes, a system could be created to allow them to kill themselves. The decision and responsibility to activate that system would be the responsibility of the patient.
Great stuff. Although I'm not sure whether there are issues with this. i.e. quadraplegics or someone who, while they were capable, clearly documented their intentions which were to be carried out after their body degenerated to the point that they could not do it themselves.

This approach may be forcing people to commit suicide earlier than they would like.

It seems a bit like the Catholic stance on taking out a fallopian tube rather than performing an abortion. In the end the result is somewhat the same, however the unnecessarily imposed restrictions means that the solution is overly convoluted and has some serious and otherwise avoidable detriments.
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15-10-2015, 06:24 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:19 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 06:13 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Nothing. You idiot.

Oh look, you can pathetically record another insult.

You piss weak excuse for a man.

Oh look another!

Bud....I do forgive you for calling me an idiot.

You forgot this You piss weak excuse for a man.

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15-10-2015, 06:30 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:24 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 06:19 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Bud....I do forgive you for calling me an idiot.

You forgot this You piss weak excuse for a man.

I saw it too BANJO. I just decided to not comment it on it. Many times I am insulted on this forum and many times I don't mention it or add it to my talley. I don't have to point out every transgression to make my point.

I still forgave you though.
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15-10-2015, 06:37 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:23 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 06:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Yes...It was wrong to kill Terri Schiavio.
How do you know what is wrong and what is right?

Does your judgement superceede any conflicting judgements that others make?
Why is your own judgement more likely to be correct than judgements made by others?


(15-10-2015 06:07 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  That being said, I don't have a problem if a terminally ill patient commits suicide and someone assists(by providing the drugs, equipment for instance). If the person desiring suicide is capable of communicating their wishes, a system could be created to allow them to kill themselves. The decision and responsibility to activate that system would be the responsibility of the patient.
Great stuff. Although I'm not sure whether there are issues with this. i.e. quadraplegics or someone who, while they were capable, clearly documented their intentions which were to be carried out after their body degenerated to the point that they could not do it themselves.

If someone can communicate their wishes then a system could be set up that allows them to commit suicide. Even Joe Bonham could commit suicide with help.
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15-10-2015, 06:44 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:37 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If someone can communicate their wishes then a system could be set up that allows them to commit suicide. Even Joe Bonham could commit suicide with help.
Wouldn't a signed and witnessed document constitute communication of wishes(intent)?
The benefit of a document is that it would be well thought out rather than an impulse spur of the moment thing.
The patient would need to physically sign it. They need to make the decision and take some physical action to achieve that.
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15-10-2015, 06:49 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 06:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 06:24 PM)Banjo Wrote:  You forgot this You piss weak excuse for a man.

I saw it too BANJO. I just decided to not comment it on it. Many times I am insulted on this forum and many times I don't mention it or add it to my talley. I don't have to point out every transgression to make my point.

I still forgave you though.

Oh, how loving and nice. Weren't you just suggesting I could be murdered without a trial?

Here's a tip as to why you constantly get insulted.

You are a liar and a hypocrite and people see right through you.

That is why you cannot escape it.

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15-10-2015, 07:00 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
Moral to whom?

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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15-10-2015, 08:06 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 01:53 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The year is 3417 AD. You look out the window and spy the shuttle craft which just dropped you off ascending into the inky black sky. A wave of anxiety hits as you contemplate being alone on this rock for the next ten years. A month has passed and you've settled into your work routine. Solitude was actually nice for a while, but now its really getting old. It doesn't have to be this way. The life support systems on the station are capable of sustaining two adult human beings. Its time to fire up the 3d printer and print yourself up a companion.

In this day and age, the technology exist to 3d print an adult human being, complete with knowledge and set of memories. 3d printed humans have to have some history...some backstory if they are going to be able to relate to regular human beings. Once printed, they are completely indistinguishable from regular human beings. They print out in an unconscious, anesthetized state. When complete, the "creator" (for lack of a better term} engages a wake up routine and the 3d human wakes up just like any other human would wake up after being anesthetized.

You tell the printer you want a beautiful 24ish year old intelligent female. But you also want to be surprised. You let the station's AI use your porn history and web browsing history to decide the specifics characteristics based on what it predicts you will find attractive.

You wake up the next morning and the print is complete. She passed the AI's quality tests. All her organs are functioning properly. All that is left is to simply wake her up. You look upon her face and become horrified. To your dismay the station's AI got it completely wrong. The anesthetized woman is butt-ugly. Maybe she has a great personality? You frantically look at what the AI gave her. She believes she is a member of the Westboro baptist church. She likes to watch Fox News. Worst of all, she lacks any sandwich making skills. This companion simply will not do.

She isn't awake. Is it immoral to simply send her off to be recycled and start all over?

Dude! How many butt-ugly, religious nut-case, non-sandwich making, chicks on porn are you watching?? Gasp
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15-10-2015, 08:18 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
(15-10-2015 04:02 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 03:18 PM)mediocrates Wrote:  CricketsSleepyCrickets

I'm bored of this. Impossible moral conundrums are lame.

It is only impossible if the axioms by which you base your morality are not consistent with each other. To me the question is easy. The 3D printed human is a human being and all human beings require moral protection whether they are a person or a potential person. The choice to recycle the human being is immoral.

I put this thread in politics because it is about abortion. The station is under the complete control of the lone occupant. It is his choice to allow another human being of his choosing to occupy it...that is true. But him killing another human being to exercise his choice is immoral as far as I am concerned.

The fallacy of the false analogy. A clump of cells with no neural tube and no brain is not a human "person". Your stupid assertion with no justification about "potential" is nothing more than a lame worthless assertion. A sperm cell is also a "potential" person. Your idiot deity is the worst abortionist. More than 50 % of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted. is an unfertilized oocyte a "potential" person ? Where does it stop ?

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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15-10-2015, 08:37 PM
RE: When is it morally okay to kill a human being?
It is rationally okay to kill a human when the potential rewards outweigh the potential risks. Whether or not it is morally okay depends on a combination of whatever culture we were raised in and whether or not the proposed act triggers our empathy, both of which are factors completely out of our control and both of which differ from person to person. The question is therefore not possible to answer definitively.

If I weren't joking when I said I'd cook her and eat her, you couldn't rationally say I was immoral within the context of who I am. Sure, you could label me based on your own criteria, but no amount of rationalizing could change your criteria into my own criteria.

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