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05-04-2016, 04:33 PM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
It comes down to this -----

The cop had to make a choice --- screw up your civil rights -- and maybe have you and a lawyer (or paralegal) that you hire on your dime - to harass him in court -----

or

take on 3/4 of fucking Utah and the busload of attorneys they'd bring along - to have the cop fired, fined, castrated and locked in a small cage in Provo - where children can throw rotted vegetables at him....................


Smart cop....

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05-04-2016, 04:41 PM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
Fuck the cop. You should have filed a complaint with the mayor's office.

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28-05-2016, 12:37 AM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
LDS missionaries are closely supervised by specialised handlers. They are trained to deflect or avoid theological challenges. My first employer was very well versed in christian theology, and talked to 2 young LDS guys in her house for hours over tea and cookies. They left on good terms, but the next day their handler returned, told her to stay away from the missionaries and put her house on a do not visit list.
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28-05-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
(28-02-2016 09:28 AM)god has no twitter account Wrote:  I posted here some time ago but stopped for various reason. I'm now back to post about one topic in particular.

I've posted it in this particular part of the forum because it seemed the most appropriate. If Mods feel that it is better moved to a different part of the forum, then I'm fine with that.

Religtards think that they have the right to extol the virtues of their particular form of religtardology in any public space that they wish to avail themselves of. I make no apologies for referring to them as religtards and their belief system as religtardology, by the way. If they feel that they have the right to disrespect the Human Race by inflicting their particular brand of un-provable, evil stupidity on it, then I reserve the right to oppose their views.

On Saturday, I was wandering through town when I was handed a copy of the watchtower. Yes, I'm aware that watchtower should be capitalised but it is not deserving of such. I challenged the two jovies to prove that god existed. They always hunt in pairs, don't they. They pointed to the babble. I pointed out that it was a circular argument. Then, I had to explain what a circular argument was, dohWeeping. They then pointed to some trees and intimated that god had created themLaughat. "So", I said, "you don't believe in evolution?" I then asked them if they had even read a science book? They responded by telling me what jesus supposedly said. I challenged them to prove that jesus existed. At this point, the senior jovie of the two told me that if I didn't leave, he would call the Police. I pointed out that this was a public space and that I was exercising my right to freedom of speech - just like they were. I also wish to point out that I had not raised my voice, nor had I invaded their personal space, nor had I sworn, nor had I gesticulated in a threatening manner and had deliberately kept my hands in my pockets. I'd been neither insulting nor threatening. On this basis, calling the Police was fine with me because CCTV would prove me right. Basically, I'd been polite but firm in my challenge of their belief system.

Although the Police were polite, they were also firm with me and asked me to vacate the area and wouldn't take no for an answer. I asked why they were allowing one group freedom of speech but were restricting my freedom? Again, they asked me to move on.

I'd be interested to hear the views of this forum.

First, I'm a lawyer and my response is not a personal or lay opinion.

You had every right to do what you did. If they didn't like it, they could have moved on. You had no obligation to. If you followed them and badgered them, perhaps then you'd be guilty of some misdemeanor, but that is not what happened. You were absolutely within your rights to present your view to them as much as they were to present their view to you.

And, the police had zero right or authority to ask you to move on. None. You could have refused and, legally, they couldn't have done anything but shrugged their shoulders and moved on. What they probably would have done if you persisted is arrested you on some trumped up charge and then let you go. At that point, you would have had a legitimate cause of action against the cops for a civil rights violation, and could have taken them to federal court. That may have been more trouble than it was worth for you, but your rights were violated by those cops. You could have held your ground and not left.

I hate shit like this. It drives me out of my mind. I don't blame you for not pushing it to the nth degree and dealing with the probable arrest. Being right doesn't mean it's not a load to deal with. But, that kind of thing really chaps my ass.

Good for you for pushing back on the "Jovies".

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29-05-2016, 10:50 AM
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Next time use a camera phone and ask to see their identification. Then proceed to ask why your rights are being infringed in favour of the fundies. Nothing like the prospect of having their stupidity paraded about the interweb to cause public officials to suddenly recall all sorts of reasons for being unable to push you around.

ApatheistApe has an exceptionally good point. Certain types of fundamentalists are not permitted to accept hand-outs from any other religions. They have to leave immediately and your house gets black-listed for future Saturday morning door knockers. It's a little like vampires and garlic. All you need do is nip down to the nearest church and pick up a few pamphlets that they will be more than happy to give you for free and keep them in a strategic location. The true beauty of this tactic is that they don't get heaven points for being persecuted.

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29-05-2016, 11:00 AM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
(05-04-2016 04:33 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  It comes down to this -----

The cop had to make a choice --- screw up your civil rights -- and maybe have you and a lawyer (or paralegal) that you hire on your dime - to harass him in court -----

or

take on 3/4 of fucking Utah and the busload of attorneys they'd bring along - to have the cop fired, fined, castrated and locked in a small cage in Provo - where children can throw rotted vegetables at him....................


Smart cop....

Accurate in the general sense that the authorities are always more likely to side against the softer of two targets, all other things being equal.

It should be noted that this seems to have occurred in the UK (?) not the southern US bible belt and was JWs not Mormons. Had this occurred in Utah it's more probable that the cops would have arrested the JWs for heresy against the Book of Mormon.

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30-05-2016, 05:07 AM
RE: Where do Jovies rights stop and mine start?
A question from across the pond. Do American police officers have to swear an oath of office when they join the force the same as british police officers do?
How do agnostic or athiest police officers comit their loyalty to office?

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02-06-2016, 06:38 PM
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No idea but, luckily, there is Google.

So, turns out that in the US they generally take a loyalty oath. I was not aware of that.

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03-06-2016, 06:02 AM
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(30-05-2016 05:07 AM)Walterego Wrote:  A question from across the pond. Do American police officers have to swear an oath of office when they join the force the same as british police officers do?
How do agnostic or athiest police officers comit their loyalty to office?

freedom of expression only exists so long as you are expressing the right brand of freedom.

They probably just say what they are asked to say. It is easier than having the argument. Judging by the fact that there are corrupt cops and others in positions that require an oath, they don't have to mean it.
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27-08-2016, 06:44 AM
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"They pointed to some trees and intimated that God had created them".

Whenever someone says something like this to me I tell them that those trees are evidence for their God in exactly the same way that rainbows are evidence of pots of gold.

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