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25-06-2015, 05:09 PM
Where to start?
There is a wealth of information for atheist reading, but the sheer amount can also be quite daunting to those who are just starting- especially if they have never been too into reading. New atheists want to be knowledgeable, prepared to explain their position(s), & not feel lost in language they have only encountered in passing. What authors &/or books do you recommend starting with? What did you start with? Is there a topic best suited for a launching point? I don't have a good answer for the primary, as I am just really starting my book collection, but below is my answer to the secondary. The last question, I realize, will result in subjective responses, but perhaps it can still be of help. For example: you'll notice my academic reading starts in biology, which seemed the most useful in a religious area of the U.S. Thanks to any, & all who reply.

Read:
God, No! by Penn Jillette
The Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens
The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins

Reading:
The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins
The Portable Atheist by Christopher Hitchens

Reading next:
The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker
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25-06-2015, 05:23 PM
RE: Where to start?
The Bible: a Historical and Literary Introduction by Bart Ehrman.

The End of Biblical Studies by Hector Avalos.

50 Reasons People Give For Believing in God and 50 Simple Questions for every Christian: Guy Harrison

How Jesus Became God: Bart Ehrman

The Origin of Satan: Elaine Pagels

The Improbability Principle: David Hand

The Soul Fallacy: Julien Musolino

God's Problem: Bart Ehrman

Understanding Genesis: Nahum Sarna

Introduction to the Bible: Christine Hayes

Christianity is Not Great: John Loftus

Undeniable: Bill Nye

Primal Myths: Barbara Sproul

The Birth of Satan: T.J. Wray

Jesus: Neither God Nor Man-Earl Doherty

God is Not Great: Christopher Hitchens

Manual for Creating Atheists: Peter Boghossian

The Bible Unearthed: Israel Finkelstein

Skeptics Annotated and Drunk With blood--Steve Wells

The Believing Brain: Michael Shermer

there was no Jesus, There is no God: Rapahel Lataster

Not The Impossible Faith: Richard Carrier

Nailed: David Fitzgerald

The god Delusion: Dawkins

that's a start for you--I have more Big Grin

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25-06-2015, 05:28 PM
RE: Where to start?
The Dragons of Eden, from Sagan.

Flim-Flam, from James Randi.

The Panda's Thumb, by Stephen Jay Gould.

None of these books directly address theism, but they each address thinking and evidence in a rational and educated manner.
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25-06-2015, 06:02 PM
Where to start?
The only atheism related book I've read is Greta Christina's Why Are You Atheists So Angry? 99 Things That Piss Off the Godless. I don't consider myself an angry atheist. After reading that book, I guess I could use that label.
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25-06-2015, 06:15 PM
RE: Where to start?

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25-06-2015, 06:17 PM
RE: Where to start?
You need to read a book to become an atheist - about as much as you need to study up on how to fall off a cliff.....


Just go for it -- it comes naturally...

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25-06-2015, 06:25 PM
RE: Where to start?
(25-06-2015 05:09 PM)7R0MM3L Wrote:  There is a wealth of information for atheist reading, but the sheer amount can also be quite daunting to those who are just starting- especially if they have never been too into reading. New atheists want to be knowledgeable, prepared to explain their position(s), & not feel lost in language they have only encountered in passing. What authors &/or books do you recommend starting with? What did you start with? Is there a topic best suited for a launching point? I don't have a good answer for the primary, as I am just really starting my book collection, but below is my answer to the secondary. The last question, I realize, will result in subjective responses, but perhaps it can still be of help. For example: you'll notice my academic reading starts in biology, which seemed the most useful in a religious area of the U.S. Thanks to any, & all who reply.

Read:
God, No! by Penn Jillette
The Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens
The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins

Reading:
The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins
The Portable Atheist by Christopher Hitchens

Reading next:
The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid735241

Xtian:

Boadt, L. (1984) Reading the Old Testament: An Introduction. New York. Paulist Press. (outstanding book, it takes great pains to be forensically accurate, to a fault, and as such, becomes a great weapon to discredit the OT)

Lieu, Samuel N. C., and Montserrat, Dominic, Constantine: History, Historiography, and Legend. London: Routledge, 2002. Print.

O'Collins, Gerald, Christology: A Biblical, Historical, and Systematic Study of Jesus. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2009. Print.

Mueller, J.J., Theological Foundations: Concepts and Methods for Understanding the Christian Faith. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2011. Print.

Albl, Martin C. Reason, Faith, and Tradition: Explorations in Catholic Theology. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2009. Print.

Stewart, Cynthia., The Catholic church: a brief popular history. Winona, Mn: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2008. Print.

The Catholic Study Bible: The New American Bible 2nd ed. Oxford: Oxford University press, Inc., 2011. Print.

Moule, C. F. D., The birth of the New Testament. New York: Harper & Row, 1962. Print.

Mattison, Mark. “The Meaning of the Atonement.” Mark Mattison. 1987. Web. Retrieved from http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/atonement.html

Anselm, Evans, G. R., The Major Works. New York: Oxford University Press, Inc, 1998. Print.

Visser, Sandra and Williams, Thomas, Anselm. New York: Oxford University Press, Inc, 2009. Print.

Murray, John, The Atonement. Evansville: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company, 1976. Print.

Dawson, Gerrit S. Jesus Ascended: The Meaning of Christ’s Continuing Incarnation. New Jersey: P&R publishing, 2004. Print.



Atheist:

Ehrman, Bart. Misquoting Jesus: The story behind who changed the bible and why. New York, Harper Collins. 2005. Print.

Carrier, Richard, On the historicity of jesus: why we might have reason for doubt. Sheffield, England: Sheffield Phoenix press, 2014. Print.

Wells, S. (2013) The skeptics annotated Bible. New York. SAB Books, LLC.

Hitchens, Christopher. God is not great: How religion poisons everything. New York, Hatchette Book Group inc. 2009. Print.

Hitchens, Christopher. Hitch 22: A memoir. New York, Hatchette Book Group inc. 2010. Print.

Hitchens, Christopher. The portable atheist: essential readings for the nonbeliever. Philadelphia, PA., Da Capo Press. 2007. Print.

Boghossian, Peter. A manual for creating atheists. Durham, NC. Pitchstone Publishing. 2013. Print.

Barker, Dan. Godless: how an evangelical preacher became one of america's leading atheists. Berkeley, CA. Bang Printing. 2008. Print.

Crossman, J. D. The power of parable: How fiction by jesus became fiction about jesus. New York. Harper Collins Publishers. 2012. Print.

Mills, David. Atheist Universe: The thinking person's answer to christian fundamentalism, makes the case against intelligent design. Berkeley, CA. Bang Printing. 2006. Print.

Pessin, Andrew. The god question: What famous thinkers from plato to dawkins have said about the divine. Oxford, England. Oneworld Publications. 2009. Print.

Bierlein, J.F. Parallel Myths: A fascinating look at the common threads woven through the world's greatest myths-and the central role they have played through time. New York. Ballantine Publishing Group. 1994. Print.

Helms, Randel. Gospel fictions. New York. Prometheus Books. 1988. Print.

Murdock, D. M. Did Moses exist? The myth of the Israelite lawgiver. Seattle. Stellar House Publishing. 2014. Print.

Price, Robert M. Deconstructing Jesus. New York. Prometheus Books. 2000. Print.


Neutral (sociologist)
Zuckerman, Phil. Society without god. New York. New York University press. 2008. Print.

Enjoy!

"Belief is so often the death of reason" - Qyburn, Game of Thrones

"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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25-06-2015, 06:49 PM
RE: Where to start?
(25-06-2015 05:23 PM)jennybee Wrote:  The Bible: a Historical and Literary Introduction by Bart Ehrman.

The End of Biblical Studies by Hector Avalos.

50 Reasons People Give For Believing in God and 50 Simple Questions for every Christian: Guy Harrison

How Jesus Became God: Bart Ehrman

The Origin of Satan: Elaine Pagels

The Improbability Principle: David Hand

The Soul Fallacy: Julien Musolino

God's Problem: Bart Ehrman

Understanding Genesis: Nahum Sarna

Introduction to the Bible: Christine Hayes

Christianity is Not Great: John Loftus

Undeniable: Bill Nye

Primal Myths: Barbara Sproul

The Birth of Satan: T.J. Wray

Jesus: Neither God Nor Man-Earl Doherty

God is Not Great: Christopher Hitchens

Manual for Creating Atheists: Peter Boghossian

The Bible Unearthed: Israel Finkelstein

Skeptics Annotated and Drunk With blood--Steve Wells

The Believing Brain: Michael Shermer

there was no Jesus, There is no God: Rapahel Lataster

Not The Impossible Faith: Richard Carrier

Nailed: David Fitzgerald

The god Delusion: Dawkins

that's a start for you--I have more Big Grin

Impressive library you have Smile

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"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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25-06-2015, 06:52 PM
RE: Where to start?
(25-06-2015 06:25 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(25-06-2015 05:09 PM)7R0MM3L Wrote:  There is a wealth of information for atheist reading, but the sheer amount can also be quite daunting to those who are just starting- especially if they have never been too into reading. New atheists want to be knowledgeable, prepared to explain their position(s), & not feel lost in language they have only encountered in passing. What authors &/or books do you recommend starting with? What did you start with? Is there a topic best suited for a launching point? I don't have a good answer for the primary, as I am just really starting my book collection, but below is my answer to the secondary. The last question, I realize, will result in subjective responses, but perhaps it can still be of help. For example: you'll notice my academic reading starts in biology, which seemed the most useful in a religious area of the U.S. Thanks to any, & all who reply.

Read:
God, No! by Penn Jillette
The Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens
The Magic of Reality by Richard Dawkins

Reading:
The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins
The Portable Atheist by Christopher Hitchens

Reading next:
The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid735241

Xtian:

Boadt, L. (1984) Reading the Old Testament: An Introduction. New York. Paulist Press. (outstanding book, it takes great pains to be forensically accurate, to a fault, and as such, becomes a great weapon to discredit the OT)

Lieu, Samuel N. C., and Montserrat, Dominic, Constantine: History, Historiography, and Legend. London: Routledge, 2002. Print.

O'Collins, Gerald, Christology: A Biblical, Historical, and Systematic Study of Jesus. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2009. Print.

Mueller, J.J., Theological Foundations: Concepts and Methods for Understanding the Christian Faith. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2011. Print.

Albl, Martin C. Reason, Faith, and Tradition: Explorations in Catholic Theology. Winona: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2009. Print.

Stewart, Cynthia., The Catholic church: a brief popular history. Winona, Mn: Anselm Academic, Christian Brothers Publications, 2008. Print.

The Catholic Study Bible: The New American Bible 2nd ed. Oxford: Oxford University press, Inc., 2011. Print.

Moule, C. F. D., The birth of the New Testament. New York: Harper & Row, 1962. Print.

Mattison, Mark. “The Meaning of the Atonement.” Mark Mattison. 1987. Web. Retrieved from http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/atonement.html

Anselm, Evans, G. R., The Major Works. New York: Oxford University Press, Inc, 1998. Print.

Visser, Sandra and Williams, Thomas, Anselm. New York: Oxford University Press, Inc, 2009. Print.

Murray, John, The Atonement. Evansville: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company, 1976. Print.

Dawson, Gerrit S. Jesus Ascended: The Meaning of Christ’s Continuing Incarnation. New Jersey: P&R publishing, 2004. Print.



Atheist:

Ehrman, Bart. Misquoting Jesus: The story behind who changed the bible and why. New York, Harper Collins. 2005. Print.

Carrier, Richard, On the historicity of jesus: why we might have reason for doubt. Sheffield, England: Sheffield Phoenix press, 2014. Print.

Wells, S. (2013) The skeptics annotated Bible. New York. SAB Books, LLC.

Hitchens, Christopher. God is not great: How religion poisons everything. New York, Hatchette Book Group inc. 2009. Print.

Hitchens, Christopher. Hitch 22: A memoir. New York, Hatchette Book Group inc. 2010. Print.

Hitchens, Christopher. The portable atheist: essential readings for the nonbeliever. Philadelphia, PA., Da Capo Press. 2007. Print.

Boghossian, Peter. A manual for creating atheists. Durham, NC. Pitchstone Publishing. 2013. Print.

Barker, Dan. Godless: how an evangelical preacher became one of america's leading atheists. Berkeley, CA. Bang Printing. 2008. Print.

Crossman, J. D. The power of parable: How fiction by jesus became fiction about jesus. New York. Harper Collins Publishers. 2012. Print.

Mills, David. Atheist Universe: The thinking person's answer to christian fundamentalism, makes the case against intelligent design. Berkeley, CA. Bang Printing. 2006. Print.

Pessin, Andrew. The god question: What famous thinkers from plato to dawkins have said about the divine. Oxford, England. Oneworld Publications. 2009. Print.

Bierlein, J.F. Parallel Myths: A fascinating look at the common threads woven through the world's greatest myths-and the central role they have played through time. New York. Ballantine Publishing Group. 1994. Print.

Helms, Randel. Gospel fictions. New York. Prometheus Books. 1988. Print.

Murdock, D. M. Did Moses exist? The myth of the Israelite lawgiver. Seattle. Stellar House Publishing. 2014. Print.

Price, Robert M. Deconstructing Jesus. New York. Prometheus Books. 2000. Print.


Neutral (sociologist)
Zuckerman, Phil. Society without god. New York. New York University press. 2008. Print.

Enjoy!

I haven't read these two--putting them on my summer reading list!:

Bierlein, J.F. Parallel Myths: A fascinating look at the common threads woven through the world's greatest myths-and the central role they have played through time. New York. Ballantine Publishing Group. 1994. Print.

Helms, Randel. Gospel fictions. New York. Prometheus Books. 1988. Print.

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25-06-2015, 06:54 PM
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