White Privlige and Ignoring the Problem
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17-01-2014, 01:44 PM
RE: White Privlige and Ignoring the Problem
(17-01-2014 01:25 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Then it would appear that the people here agree, at least to some extent. So what is that you want from the members here? Is AF doing a better job of responding correctly.

Seriously, after all these months, I don't understand what it is that will make you happy here.

BQ thread - Do you have pets?

- tons of responses from people who love their pets

BQ thread - Do you really think it's right to OWN animals

- The hell?

BQ thread - Don' t you think we should have a subforum for pet talk?

Why don't you just start out and tell us how you think it should be around here to suit you.

BQ thread - my new doctor is prejudiced against brown people.

No way is he being responsible by wanting to make his own assessments instead of relying on someone else's...he must be a bigot, the only logical explanation.

BQ thread - Deaf people think they are better than blind people and won't communicate with us..

Newsflash - everyone isn't Helen Keller.

The chip on your shoulder is the size of a tank...dragging or trying to drag everyone else into it isn't going to get you past your issues.

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BQ, you are making yourself a victim. Rationally minded people will see that and call you out for it in a heartbeat.

Blaming a specific group, white, black, brown, yellow, blue, is the epitome of prejudice. If it's race, call it racism, if it's sex, call it sexism. Whatever. Groupism if you like......it doesn,t matter. It's all shitty. Being a bigot is a shitty thing. Try not to be. K?

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17-01-2014, 01:56 PM
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Broken, I think what is trying to be said here is that we all come from our own broken worlds. We all need eachother.

But given the nature of this community, nobody is here is ready to just jump on a bandwagon because there is some sort of controversy or injustice.

The conversations are relevant and welcome, but the ways to go about starting and having these conversations need to be more of a platform, and less of an arrow.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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17-01-2014, 02:05 PM
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(17-01-2014 01:56 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Broken, I think what is trying to be said here is that we all come from our own broken worlds. We all need eachother.

But given the nature of this community, nobody is here is ready to just jump on a bandwagon because there is some sort of controversy or injustice.

The conversations are relevant and welcome, but the ways to go about starting and having these conversations need to be more of a platform, and less of an arrow.

Thanks man. I can come off as a pretty confrontational guy. You put my words into a kinder and gentler post. Thumbsup

BQ, I'm not attacking your ideas and opinions, I am challenging them. I truly hope you see that.

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17-01-2014, 03:16 PM
RE: White Privlige and Ignoring the Problem
From Seth's Facebook page today- how appropriate:
Since these are both his sites, I don't think he would mind his words being seen here, in this context.


Status Update

By Seth Andrews

Anybody else absolutely sick and tired of living in Victim Nation?

"I'm persecuted. I'm oppressed. I'm hypersensitive to any and every word spoken in my general vicinity. I have skin thinner than rice paper. I live to be outraged. I'll assume your worst intentions, and my passive-aggressive whinefest will spray in all directions. My oxygen is division, attitude and anger. I am {sobs} so...oppressed."

Uh. Yeah.

The problem with these Drama Porn Stars is that they've become the incessant car alarm that nobody listens to anymore. They're the Jerk Who Cried Wolf.

Often inaudible beyond their tantrums are the other, genuine instances of hurt, oppression, discrimination and crisis that truly deserve our attention. That's where our attention and energy should be focused...not on those who construct a crisis as a cheap platform from which to appear taller and get noticed.

And while the wailers, moaners and tantrum throwers attempt to paint every situation with the brush of outrage, they have little or no idea how exhausting they are to the rest of us.

Hey. You. Yes, you. Certainly, we should work for fairness, goodness, equality and healing in this world. But bursting into flame (and flame wars) anytime someone brushes against your delicate sensibilities is no way to live.

Calm your voice. Grow a thicker skin. Realize that it ain't a perfect world, but sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good. Stop being a wild, reckless, stone-throwing grunt when the important battles require perspective, forethought, strategy and wisdom.

What you consider to be an affront to humanity might just be an honest oversight. Or simple ignorance. Or a misunderstanding. Or a circumstance that can be addressed with a better tactic than name-calling and tantrums. Or perhaps it's just a healthy reminder that you're not the center of the universe.

So many opportunities to address real problems, and we're stuck watching the antics of spoiled rotten, knee-jerk, fist-shaking malcontents.

You might be genuinely oppressed. Or...you might just be a horse's ass. Be self-aware enough to know the difference.

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17-01-2014, 03:45 PM
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Am I being trolled? I am, aren't I?

Good one, BQ! Thumbsup

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17-01-2014, 04:04 PM
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(17-01-2014 11:12 AM)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:  The whole "I'm not racist so it's not my problem" bit isn't okay

yes it is

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17-01-2014, 05:42 PM
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I put my focus on the importance of treating all sentient beings with compassion. If we see the bigger picture, which is looking past the human race and try to help all living things when we see them suffering or struggling (humans, dogs, snakes, insects, etc.) the aspect of things like skin color or what country one is from seems incredibly petty. We do no good by giving people guilt trips. It creates division among people. I don't think that Chinese people should be given some guilt trip about the way their country has treated the people of Tibet. What would that do, other than anger people and create more division among people and encourage an us vs. them attitude?

If we humans stopped being so selfish we could live so much happier lives. When we see somebody suffering, we shouldn't think "Well, this person is (enter skin color, ethnicity, religion, etc) so I have no desire to help them!" We should say "Here is somebody that is in pain, and I could do something to help ease their pain." Hopefully by doing so, it will inspire them to help somebody else next time they come across another person or other living being who is obviously hurting, whether physically or emotionally. By doing so we can create a ripple effect and turn anger into compassion. Nobody should get satisfaction from stepping on others, nor should they get satisfaction from making people feel guilty for who they are. Happiness comes from knowing that we are loved and cared for, and helping others to feel the same way is where we should get satisfaction.
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17-01-2014, 06:23 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2014 06:29 PM by Question.)
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Read "Brownies" by ZZ Packer.
Everyone knows there is a problem - at least everyone old enough. But you can't force social change. It has to come gradually, the best thing on your part is to raise children on the belief of equality.

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17-01-2014, 07:02 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2014 08:11 PM by Adrianime.)
RE: White Privlige and Ignoring the Problem
Hmm, racism is an interesting issue. I can't watch the video from the OP yet, but I can at least offer my thoughts on the subject.

First, it's probably very different depending on where you are in the country (or world). Here in Washington, it's not too bad. I've only had to deal with explicit racism (n-word, or threats/insults/judgments purely based on my skin color) like 10 times. I've had to deal with implicit racism (subtle differences in how you are treated compared to others) all my life. Sadly, I've just gotten used to it.

I grew up in a suburb that was ~70% white ~30% asian and <1% black. So my entire life I have been told, "I don't act black" or have been noticably monitored more closely than others. One of the things that pissed me off, when I was in school I had many asian friends. They told me, "Adrian, you are Asian, just accept it." Which, is just a stupid as hell thing to say. I'm not Asian, nor have I ever tried to be or wanted to be. I don't even identify as black (although most people see me that way). I am of mixed ethnicity, but the history of my blood doesn't decide who I am or how I should be.

But, I don't blame people for implicit racism. It just isn't worth it to get angry. And it's getting better. You have to realize how recently racism was the norm. I mean the Civil war was NOT that long ago. There are possibly people who are alive, that knew people who served in the civil war. Explicit racism obviously needs to be called out and humiliated whenever it is seen.

What can we do? Make an effort to not be racist, ourselves. Honestly I see people do it all the time without realizing, "damn einstein asians that don't know how to drive", "pablo from mexico over there probably snuck across the border". It's not just a matter of black and white, that is for sure. And never accept explicit racism in any form. Fight it loudly.

Another thing that many people don't realize is the huge disadvantage that many minorities, including blacks, are in. I'm talking about the historical way they have been screwed repeartedly from being successful, and guess what, the biggest predictor of how successful a person will be, is how successful their parents were (pretty sure that's true, but if not, oops). Black people are generations behind in this respect.

Personally I've been extremely lucky, both my parents were college grads (B.S. and JD) and that put me in a demographic that was very likely to be successful myself. Obviously that's not full proof, my siblings all ended up doing different things. But still, many are way worse off. Anyways, at this point I'm just rambling.

Sorry Smile....racism is bad, don't do it. Mmk?

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17-01-2014, 07:31 PM
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Don't assume everyone is racist. Not everyone is.

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