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21-11-2015, 02:10 AM
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
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21-11-2015, 08:48 AM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2015 09:09 AM by Chas.)
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
(20-11-2015 09:40 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(19-11-2015 09:05 AM)Chas Wrote:  Stop being a slimy, evasive twat. Answer the fucking question.

"Answer the fucking question; what caused the uncaused cause? I want an answer, and I want it now!!!" Laugh out load

ahhh, you freakin idiot.

You just answered it. You think your god is the uncaused cause.
That is the very picture of special pleading and is the logical fallacy that destroys the Kalam argument.


It is clear that you are so entrenched in your beliefs that you can't even recognize a legitimate question.

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21-11-2015, 02:14 PM
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
(20-11-2015 10:28 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(20-11-2015 09:40 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  "Answer the fucking question; what caused the uncaused cause? I want an answer, and I want it now!!!" Laugh out load

ahhh, you freakin idiot.

Then how was the uncaused cause uncaused?

*Sigh* ^The toughest part of being an apologist, is dealing with crap like this.

Pathetic.
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21-11-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  You just answered it.

Yeah, I answered it, without actually answering it Laugh out load

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  You think your god is the uncaused cause.

I don't think, I KNOW an uncaused cause is necessary.

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  That is the very picture of special pleading and is the logical fallacy that destroys the Kalam argument.

It would only be special pleading if the argument didn't consist of true premises, which are backed up by three areas of inquiry; science...mathematics...and philosophy.

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  It is clear that you are so entrenched in your beliefs that you can't even recognize a legitimate question.

It is clear that the question "what caused god" is loaded with a presupposition embedded in it and without logical justification.

Now, go play with your cat.
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21-11-2015, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 21-11-2015 03:10 PM by ClydeLee.)
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
(21-11-2015 02:14 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(20-11-2015 10:28 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Then how was the uncaused cause uncaused?

*Sigh* ^The toughest part of being an apologist, is dealing with crap like this.

Pathetic.

I thought it was telling your parents you're gay.. oh that's rollerblading.

Yes, the dumbest part of being an apologist is when people don't give up your crap and accept your proclamations to KNOW things. Then asked how you know it, well because it couldn't not be known, Because... God..? It's a non-answer always diverting to it HAS to be, when there is no evidence demonstrated it HAS to be. You always just stop instead of continuing to question and question and question until you actually can establish a reality not based on assumptions.

You're arguments are entirely assumption based, you seem to not grasp skepticism or any view of even the religious world that differs from yours. If you wanted to be honest, insightful, provide anything of worth in your view of being an "apologist" there would be massive headway in your function if you knew how to question every claim you make and answer it without assumption.

Why is God uncaused? How is God uncaused? How is it certain God and not the universe/energy without the consciousness(whatever label you define with gods) the uncaused caused? Must there be an uncaused cause? if so, why? Where is evidence that it MUST be a God? What would the universe seem like if NOT or IF caused by a God of X qualities? ...These are all types of questions you really should be able to answer if you know the things you proclaim to know as an apologist of true knowledge. Instead, you skirt them and sigh away because you just will keep making assertions again if you answered it. You don't seem to realize people who disagree with you, don't proclaim to "KNOW" things in the manner you proclaim to know. They aren't ones saying they have some "special knowledge" that some folks that proclaim to know of God are saying.

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21-11-2015, 04:06 PM
RE: Who Created The Supernatual Realm.
(21-11-2015 02:18 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  You just answered it.

Yeah, I answered it, without actually answering it Laugh out load

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  You think your god is the uncaused cause.

I don't think, I KNOW an uncaused cause is necessary.

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  That is the very picture of special pleading and is the logical fallacy that destroys the Kalam argument.

It would only be special pleading if the argument didn't consist of true premises, which are backed up by three areas of inquiry; science...mathematics...and philosophy.

(21-11-2015 08:48 AM)Chas Wrote:  It is clear that you are so entrenched in your beliefs that you can't even recognize a legitimate question.

It is clear that the question "what caused god" is loaded with a presupposition embedded in it and without logical justification.

Now, go play with your cat.

You believe there must be an uncaused cause, you don't know it. There is no proof of it and it is incoherent - just special pleading.

Now, go play with yourself.

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22-11-2015, 03:51 PM
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(21-11-2015 03:03 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(21-11-2015 02:14 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  *Sigh* ^The toughest part of being an apologist, is dealing with crap like this.

Pathetic.

I thought it was telling your parents you're gay.. oh that's rollerblading.

Yes, the dumbest part of being an apologist is when people don't give up your crap and accept your proclamations to KNOW things. Then asked how you know it, well because it couldn't not be known, Because... God..? It's a non-answer always diverting to it HAS to be, when there is no evidence demonstrated it HAS to be. You always just stop instead of continuing to question and question and question until you actually can establish a reality not based on assumptions.

You're arguments are entirely assumption based, you seem to not grasp skepticism or any view of even the religious world that differs from yours. If you wanted to be honest, insightful, provide anything of worth in your view of being an "apologist" there would be massive headway in your function if you knew how to question every claim you make and answer it without assumption.

Why is God uncaused? How is God uncaused? How is it certain God and not the universe/energy without the consciousness(whatever label you define with gods) the uncaused caused? Must there be an uncaused cause? if so, why? Where is evidence that it MUST be a God? What would the universe seem like if NOT or IF caused by a God of X qualities? ...These are all types of questions you really should be able to answer if you know the things you proclaim to know as an apologist of true knowledge. Instead, you skirt them and sigh away because you just will keep making assertions again if you answered it. You don't seem to realize people who disagree with you, don't proclaim to "KNOW" things in the manner you proclaim to know. They aren't ones saying they have some "special knowledge" that some folks that proclaim to know of God are saying.

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22-11-2015, 04:00 PM (This post was last modified: 22-11-2015 09:45 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(21-11-2015 02:18 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  It would only be special pleading if the argument didn't consist of true premises, which are backed up by three areas of inquiry; science...mathematics...and philosophy.

Nope. Clearly you don't even know what "special pleading" means. Being a "special pleading" argument has nothing to do with it's premises. It's the CONCLUSIONS. It's the fact the same argument used against a premise is used FOR another one. Kalam claims that everything that exists needs a cause" except one. THAT exception is special pleading. The question really is who "caused" Causality, if it didn't already exist as a principle. As before, you can't answer that, and the only answer you have is that your (dumb) god didn't create Reality after all.

There are no arguments for the gods. Faith (according to Paul) is a *gift*. Faith is STILL required, and it's not the result of any proofs or arguments. You need a theology class.

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23-11-2015, 11:34 AM
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(22-11-2015 04:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nope. Clearly you don't even know what "special pleading" means. Being a "special pleading" argument has nothing to do with it's premises. It's the CONCLUSIONS. It's the fact the same argument used against a premise is used FOR another one. Kalam claims that everything that exists needs a cause" except one. THAT exception is special pleading. The question really is who "caused" Causality, if it didn't already exist as a principle. As before, you can't answer that, and the only answer you have is that your (dumb) god didn't create Reality after all.

Nonsense. First off, you aren't asking any question that isn't already covered in the argument. The argument already demonstrates WHY there must have been a "first cause" based on the impossibility of infinite regression.

There is a logical problem with infinite regression, and logical problems are independent of the physics of the world, so it doesn't matter what big shot cosmologist or physicist that you are cheerleading behind, the problem will still exist.

Second, again, you are still raising the dumb ass notion of something "creating reality"...which is just flat out STUPID. One cannot create reality without existing in preexisting reality.

You seem to think you are raising this tough, fire proof question, when it is actually a very stupid question that is self-refuting.

(22-11-2015 04:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There are no arguments for the gods.

Yet Alvin Plantiga has at least "two dozen or so theistic arguments" Laugh out load
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23-11-2015, 11:54 AM (This post was last modified: 23-11-2015 12:42 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(23-11-2015 11:34 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(22-11-2015 04:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nope. Clearly you don't even know what "special pleading" means. Being a "special pleading" argument has nothing to do with it's premises. It's the CONCLUSIONS. It's the fact the same argument used against a premise is used FOR another one. Kalam claims that everything that exists needs a cause" except one. THAT exception is special pleading. The question really is who "caused" Causality, if it didn't already exist as a principle. As before, you can't answer that, and the only answer you have is that your (dumb) god didn't create Reality after all.

Nonsense. First off, you aren't asking any question that isn't already covered in the argument. The argument already demonstrates WHY there must have been a "first cause" based on the impossibility of infinite regression.

There is a logical problem with infinite regression, and logical problems are independent of the physics of the world, so it doesn't matter what big shot cosmologist or physicist that you are cheerleading behind, the problem will still exist.

Second, again, you are still raising the dumb ass notion of something "creating reality"...which is just flat out STUPID. One cannot create reality without existing in preexisting reality.

You seem to think you are raising this tough, fire proof question, when it is actually a very stupid question that is self-refuting.

(22-11-2015 04:00 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There are no arguments for the gods.

Yet Alvin Plantiga has at least "two dozen or so theistic arguments" Laugh out load

Thanks again for agreeing your stupid weak deity is not the creator of all things, and indeed "found itself" as a sub-set of Reality. Facepalm
That is no god.
No one cares about Alvin. He's been debunked a 1000 times. There is no concensus in Cosmology that the universe "came from nothing". Hawking's friend Penrose thinks it always existed. So dear, DO try to learn some CURRENT science and stop with your "sighing" and bullshit debunked nonsense. You really should STOP *trying* to be an apologist. You're no good at it. At all. Feel free to find another hobby. One that you can actually handle with your limited brain power.
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