Who are neither theist nor atheist?
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11-01-2013, 03:09 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
Quick answer: none.

Long answer: You are a theist if you accept that a particular religion is valid. You are an atheist if you don't. Easy peasy. Philosophies are irrelevant. Natural and biological behavior is irrelevant. Avoiding faith because you love man seems relevant and consistent with atheism. Explaining the origin of the universe is irrelevant. Doing good work is irrelevant. Philanthropy is irrelevant (yes, that seems pretty redundant).

I'm not trying to belittle this philosophy. I know almost nothing about it; just the one paragraph of information presented here. It might be a perfectly wonderful philosophy. It is also atheistic regardless of claims to the contrary, unless more can be presented to disprove its atheism (in which case it would be theistic - either way, it doesn't satisfy question asked in the thread's title).

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11-01-2013, 03:18 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 03:09 AM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Quick answer: none.

Long answer: You are a theist if you accept that a particular religion is valid. You are an atheist if you don't. Easy peasy. Philosophies are irrelevant. Natural and biological behavior is irrelevant. Avoiding faith because you love man seems relevant and consistent with atheism. Explaining the origin of the universe is irrelevant. Doing good work is irrelevant. Philanthropy is irrelevant (yes, that seems pretty redundant).

I'm not trying to belittle this philosophy. I know almost nothing about it; just the one paragraph of information presented here. It might be a perfectly wonderful philosophy. It is also atheistic regardless of claims to the contrary, unless more can be presented to disprove its atheism (in which case it would be theistic - either way, it doesn't satisfy question asked in the thread's title).
Perhaps I am shutting it out because what I was able to find already presented some stuff that just smelled of dishonest representation. I see nothing wrong with philosophy... and I agree that avoiding faith is a good thing if it benefits other people. Although he is correct that people personalize their beliefs anyway.
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11-01-2013, 03:28 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
Sure, I didn't say he got anything wrong; how would I know? And I didn't say there's anything wrong with philosophy; I love philosophy. I was merely answering the question posed in the title of the thread.

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11-01-2013, 03:39 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 03:28 AM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Sure, I didn't say he got anything wrong; how would I know? And I didn't say there's anything wrong with philosophy; I love philosophy. I was merely answering the question posed in the title of the thread.
It's all gravy.

Is gravy atheistic nor theistic?
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11-01-2013, 03:46 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 03:39 AM)Logisch Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 03:28 AM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Sure, I didn't say he got anything wrong; how would I know? And I didn't say there's anything wrong with philosophy; I love philosophy. I was merely answering the question posed in the title of the thread.
It's all gravy.

Is gravy atheistic nor theistic?
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11-01-2013, 04:00 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
The persons who are neither theist nor atheist but religious, are Drishtantoist. Their scripture is Mangolbarta.
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11-01-2013, 04:16 AM
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(11-01-2013 04:00 AM)ShaSha1 Wrote:  The persons who are neither theist nor atheist but religious, are Drishtantoist. Their scripture is Mangolbarta.
After reading that, I'm still not sure how you define that as "religious." It seems the very same pattern that Buddhism follows, and many Buddhists are those you could describe in your way as not active theists but not atheist as you seem.

All that so called scripture is, is a set of rules or guidelines to live by. If by religious, you mean a set of moral standards and doctrines, then it's making more sense, but still religious implies more. A set of guidelines is merely a philosophy until it adds a "spiritual" or "deity concept" to the mix.

This feels like equivalent to saying Zen Buddhism is neither theist nor atheist because it teaches to be in the moment and not to focus on non essentialist questions such as if God exists or not.

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11-01-2013, 04:30 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 04:16 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 04:00 AM)ShaSha1 Wrote:  The persons who are neither theist nor atheist but religious, are Drishtantoist. Their scripture is Mangolbarta.
After reading that, I'm still not sure how you define that as "religious." It seems the very same pattern that Buddhism follows, and many Buddhists are those you could describe in your way as not active theists but not atheist as you seem.

All that so called scripture is, is a set of rules or guidelines to live by. If by religious, you mean a set of moral standards and doctrines, then it's making more sense, but still religious implies more. A set of guidelines is merely a philosophy until it adds a "spiritual" or "deity concept" to the mix.

This feels like equivalent to saying Zen Buddhism is neither theist nor atheist because it teaches to be in the moment and not to focus on non essentialist questions such as if God exists or not.
Drishtantoism is an ultramodern Lokayata philosophy of Indian Sub-continent, is founded from Bangladesh by Bengali poet Shobuj Taposh from the beginning of 21st century. The philosophy has stood on some eastern and western philosophical theories like Lokayata (Charvaka), Buddhism, Hinduism, Islamism, Baulism, Existentialism, Pragmatism, Logical Positivism, Individualism etc. and on the literary and artistic theories like Surrealism, Dadaism, Imagism, Futurism, Symbolism etc.
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11-01-2013, 04:52 AM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 04:30 AM)ShaSha1 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 04:16 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  After reading that, I'm still not sure how you define that as "religious." It seems the very same pattern that Buddhism follows, and many Buddhists are those you could describe in your way as not active theists but not atheist as you seem.

All that so called scripture is, is a set of rules or guidelines to live by. If by religious, you mean a set of moral standards and doctrines, then it's making more sense, but still religious implies more. A set of guidelines is merely a philosophy until it adds a "spiritual" or "deity concept" to the mix.

This feels like equivalent to saying Zen Buddhism is neither theist nor atheist because it teaches to be in the moment and not to focus on non essentialist questions such as if God exists or not.
Drishtantoism is an ultramodern Lokayata philosophy of Indian Sub-continent, is founded from Bangladesh by Bengali poet Shobuj Taposh from the beginning of 21st century. The philosophy has stood on some eastern and western philosophical theories like Lokayata (Charvaka), Buddhism, Hinduism, Islamism, Baulism, Existentialism, Pragmatism, Logical Positivism, Individualism etc. and on the literary and artistic theories like Surrealism, Dadaism, Imagism, Futurism, Symbolism etc.


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11-01-2013, 11:41 PM
RE: Who are neither theist nor atheist?
(11-01-2013 03:09 AM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Quick answer: none.
Try ignostics like myself. (Don't necessarily say the notion of "God" is utter gibberish, but do say that the multitude of definitions in use makes it impossible to answer the existence question without some clarification of which "God" concept is being referred to with the word.)

Back to the OP, how is this new, ultramodern philosophy distinct from secular humanism?

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