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04-11-2013, 12:23 PM
RE: Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(28-10-2013 07:45 AM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 11:20 PM)I and I Wrote:  I am arguing that the cause of an immune deficiency is not HIV and that HIV doesn't exist.

And your evidence for this argument?

I am also curious about this evidence, since there is ample evidence that HIV exists and that it leads to full-blown AIDS.

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04-11-2013, 01:05 PM
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(26-09-2013 05:58 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(26-09-2013 05:45 PM)I and I Wrote:  US citizens and their government, pretty douchy people and support pretty doughy things.

Don't be a pussy and say things on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face.

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04-11-2013, 01:09 PM
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(27-10-2013 09:18 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(26-10-2013 10:32 PM)nooneofconsequence Wrote:  AIDS denialists.

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Deficient immune systems are real and happen for many reasons among humans. People that believe that HIV is real are scum worthless idiot sheep.

I am starting to see why you don't have many fans, love. Most people do not appreciate being called scum worthless idiot sheep. Do you have any proof that HIV is not real?
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04-11-2013, 02:55 PM
RE: Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
I love how a thread never stays on subject for very long here.

Id say the biggest scumbags in the world are those who brush Mother Nature off as something to exploit and consume, such as industrialists and most followers of the Judeo-Christian path (coincidentally, of course...)

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04-11-2013, 05:05 PM
Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(04-11-2013 01:09 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  
(27-10-2013 09:18 AM)I and I Wrote:  Deficient immune systems are real and happen for many reasons among humans. People that believe that HIV is real are scum worthless idiot sheep.

I am starting to see why you don't have many fans, love. Most people do not appreciate being called scum worthless idiot sheep. Do you have any proof that HIV is not real?

http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/ This doc has been posted on YouTube to watch for free as well.
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04-11-2013, 05:11 PM (This post was last modified: 04-11-2013 05:20 PM by Revenant77x.)
RE: Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(04-11-2013 05:05 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 01:09 PM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  I am starting to see why you don't have many fans, love. Most people do not appreciate being called scum worthless idiot sheep. Do you have any proof that HIV is not real?

http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/ This doc has been posted on YouTube to watch for free as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Nu...2009_film)

Quote:House of Numbers is a controversial 2009 documentary film about human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) produced and directed by Brent Leung.[1] Leung describes the film as an objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS.[1] The film's claims of impartiality have generally been rejected by reviewers, who have dismissed the film as AIDS denialism and conspiracy theory disguised as objective examination.[2][3][4] Leung has declined to discuss funding for the film except to state that funders came from "all over the world".[1][5]
In the film, Leung interviews a range of scientists and AIDS denialists, including Christine Maggiore, an HIV-positive denialist whose 3-year-old daughter died of untreated AIDS. Maggiore herself died with pneumonia and several AIDS-related infections several months before the film's release, although her death is only mentioned in small print in the closing credits along with a claim that it was "unrelated to HIV."[3] A group of scientists interviewed for the film later complained that they had been interviewed under false pretenses, and that the film promotes pseudoscience.[2]

http://www.houseofnumbers.org/Scientists...e_HON.html

Quote:Scientists Denounce HON
A statement about the film, ‘House of Numbers,”
by people who appear in it

We are writing to state our strong objections to 'House of Numbers' and the agendas it promotes. We consider the film as being harmful to the best interests of the general public and, in particular, people with HIV infection or at risk for acquiring it.

We all appear in the film, having granted interviews to its Director, Mr. Brent Leung, during the period 2006-2008. Mr. Leung was deceptive in his interactions with us. He informed us that his film was intended to present the true history of AIDS research, and an accurate summary of the science of HIV infection. He also told several of us that he intended the film would expose and counter many of the myths about HIV and AIDS that have been promoted by a small clique of individuals we refer to as "AIDS denialists".

http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

Quote: But the other was different: House of Numbers, a new film about Aids, really had something in it.I have now seen this film. It presents itself as a naïve journey by one young film maker to discover the science behind HIV. In reality it’s a dreary and pernicious piece of Aids denialist propaganda.
All the usual ideas are there. It’s antiretroviral drugs themselves that are the cause of symptoms called Aids. Or it’s poverty. Or it’s drug use. HIV doesn’t cause Aids. Diagnostic tools don’t work, Aids is simply a spurious basket diagnosis invented to sell antiretroviral medication for a wide range of unrelated problems, and the drugs don’t work either.

http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/

Quote:In 2009 Brent Leung released the AIDS denial movie, House of Numbers. Brent claims the movie was an ‘objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS’ but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. I have previously discussed how the movie missed out vital information when it featured a woman talking about the benefits of not taking anti-HIV medication, but failed to mention that both herself and her daughter died of AIDS before the film was even released. It also failed to mention that both deaths could have been prevented by the drugs. The film is also guilty of telling barefaced lies. In this article I am going to discuss an example of this and where the film changes from misleading to simply dangerous.

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05-11-2013, 04:02 AM
Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(04-11-2013 05:11 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 05:05 PM)I and I Wrote:  http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/ This doc has been posted on YouTube to watch for free as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Nu...2009_film)

Quote:House of Numbers is a controversial 2009 documentary film about human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) produced and directed by Brent Leung.[1] Leung describes the film as an objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS.[1] The film's claims of impartiality have generally been rejected by reviewers, who have dismissed the film as AIDS denialism and conspiracy theory disguised as objective examination.[2][3][4] Leung has declined to discuss funding for the film except to state that funders came from "all over the world".[1][5]
In the film, Leung interviews a range of scientists and AIDS denialists, including Christine Maggiore, an HIV-positive denialist whose 3-year-old daughter died of untreated AIDS. Maggiore herself died with pneumonia and several AIDS-related infections several months before the film's release, although her death is only mentioned in small print in the closing credits along with a claim that it was "unrelated to HIV."[3] A group of scientists interviewed for the film later complained that they had been interviewed under false pretenses, and that the film promotes pseudoscience.[2]

http://www.houseofnumbers.org/Scientists...e_HON.html

Quote:Scientists Denounce HON
A statement about the film, ‘House of Numbers,”
by people who appear in it

We are writing to state our strong objections to 'House of Numbers' and the agendas it promotes. We consider the film as being harmful to the best interests of the general public and, in particular, people with HIV infection or at risk for acquiring it.

We all appear in the film, having granted interviews to its Director, Mr. Brent Leung, during the period 2006-2008. Mr. Leung was deceptive in his interactions with us. He informed us that his film was intended to present the true history of AIDS research, and an accurate summary of the science of HIV infection. He also told several of us that he intended the film would expose and counter many of the myths about HIV and AIDS that have been promoted by a small clique of individuals we refer to as "AIDS denialists".

http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

Quote: But the other was different: House of Numbers, a new film about Aids, really had something in it.I have now seen this film. It presents itself as a naïve journey by one young film maker to discover the science behind HIV. In reality it’s a dreary and pernicious piece of Aids denialist propaganda.
All the usual ideas are there. It’s antiretroviral drugs themselves that are the cause of symptoms called Aids. Or it’s poverty. Or it’s drug use. HIV doesn’t cause Aids. Diagnostic tools don’t work, Aids is simply a spurious basket diagnosis invented to sell antiretroviral medication for a wide range of unrelated problems, and the drugs don’t work either.

http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/

Quote:In 2009 Brent Leung released the AIDS denial movie, House of Numbers. Brent claims the movie was an ‘objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS’ but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. I have previously discussed how the movie missed out vital information when it featured a woman talking about the benefits of not taking anti-HIV medication, but failed to mention that both herself and her daughter died of AIDS before the film was even released. It also failed to mention that both deaths could have been prevented by the drugs. The film is also guilty of telling barefaced lies. In this article I am going to discuss an example of this and where the film changes from misleading to simply dangerous.

In the documentary, top aids researchers are interviewed from several countries, including the scientists that were leading in the research when the discovery of HIV was announced. The doc also show that aids tests themselves have different criteria for different countries hence it is easy to inflate the numbers, the director gets these tests in different countries and specifically asks the doctors about the different standards in results. The documentary also examines the question as to why a virus is mainly present in poor slum areas or among homosexuals.

You should check the documentary out, you might form your own opinion on the info.
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05-11-2013, 10:33 AM
RE: Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(05-11-2013 04:02 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 05:11 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Nu...2009_film)


http://www.houseofnumbers.org/Scientists...e_HON.html


http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/


http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/

In the documentary, top aids researchers are interviewed from several countries, including the scientists that were leading in the research when the discovery of HIV was announced. The doc also show that aids tests themselves have different criteria for different countries hence it is easy to inflate the numbers, the director gets these tests in different countries and specifically asks the doctors about the different standards in results. The documentary also examines the question as to why a virus is mainly present in poor slum areas or among homosexuals.

You should check the documentary out, you might form your own opinion on the info.

http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/



Quote:Above is a short one-minute clip of the movie, where we see Liam Scheff and Nancy Padian talking about a ten-year study on heterosexual transmission of HIV. You might be wondering who these people are; Liam Scheff, according to the documentary, is an investigative journalist, but a quick Google search reveals that Liam prefers the title of ‘conspiracy realist’. The reason why Liam gives himself this title and not the title of ‘conspiracy theorist’ is that he believes the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ to be a conspiracy theory by the government to cast a shadow on people like him… ಠ_ಠ. I don’t think I could adequately explain just how bat shit crazy Liam is and I therefore suggest you check out his website and YouTube channel to see it for yourself. There you will find the ramblings of a mad man.

Quote:Liam admits to being a truther, a creationist and an AIDS denialist. He also believes that the Boston marathon bombing was a ‘false flag operation’, that Facebook is run by the FBI (yet he owns a Facebook page which he frequently posts on), and that JFK was assassinated for standing up to the CIA. He is also an anti-vaxxer and has taken it upon himself to produce a comic book about the ‘dangers’ of vaccinations. The comic book is called ‘The Geneticals’ and stars the world’s first team of vaccine-damaged superheroes, who banded together to ‘fight bad science’ and ‘search for a cure for their toxic state’. You would think that after writing his own superhero comic book that he would be a fan of the whole genre, but noooope! One of the more interesting claims made by Liam on his website is that Joss Whedon’s ‘The Avengers’ is some kind of mind control. It is totally baffling to me why Brent would want someone in his documentary who subscribes to every conspiracy theory going, especially when he is trying to produce a movie that is an ‘objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS’. Because one thing we can all agree on is how objective conspiracy theorists are!

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05-11-2013, 11:17 AM
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(05-11-2013 10:33 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(05-11-2013 04:02 AM)I and I Wrote:  In the documentary, top aids researchers are interviewed from several countries, including the scientists that were leading in the research when the discovery of HIV was announced. The doc also show that aids tests themselves have different criteria for different countries hence it is easy to inflate the numbers, the director gets these tests in different countries and specifically asks the doctors about the different standards in results. The documentary also examines the question as to why a virus is mainly present in poor slum areas or among homosexuals.

You should check the documentary out, you might form your own opinion on the info.

http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/



Quote:Above is a short one-minute clip of the movie, where we see Liam Scheff and Nancy Padian talking about a ten-year study on heterosexual transmission of HIV. You might be wondering who these people are; Liam Scheff, according to the documentary, is an investigative journalist, but a quick Google search reveals that Liam prefers the title of ‘conspiracy realist’. The reason why Liam gives himself this title and not the title of ‘conspiracy theorist’ is that he believes the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ to be a conspiracy theory by the government to cast a shadow on people like him… ಠ_ಠ. I don’t think I could adequately explain just how bat shit crazy Liam is and I therefore suggest you check out his website and YouTube channel to see it for yourself. There you will find the ramblings of a mad man.

Quote:Liam admits to being a truther, a creationist and an AIDS denialist. He also believes that the Boston marathon bombing was a ‘false flag operation’, that Facebook is run by the FBI (yet he owns a Facebook page which he frequently posts on), and that JFK was assassinated for standing up to the CIA. He is also an anti-vaxxer and has taken it upon himself to produce a comic book about the ‘dangers’ of vaccinations. The comic book is called ‘The Geneticals’ and stars the world’s first team of vaccine-damaged superheroes, who banded together to ‘fight bad science’ and ‘search for a cure for their toxic state’. You would think that after writing his own superhero comic book that he would be a fan of the whole genre, but noooope! One of the more interesting claims made by Liam on his website is that Joss Whedon’s ‘The Avengers’ is some kind of mind control. It is totally baffling to me why Brent would want someone in his documentary who subscribes to every conspiracy theory going, especially when he is trying to produce a movie that is an ‘objective examination of the idea that HIV causes AIDS’. Because one thing we can all agree on is how objective conspiracy theorists are!

So you discredit what is said about subject x by showing what the same person said about subject a. "This car mechanic likes Brussels sprouts which I think are gross therefore what he says about my car engine must be bullshit".

Are you going to address this ten year study mentioned in the video?
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05-11-2013, 12:03 PM
RE: Who are the biggest scumbags on the planet?
(05-11-2013 11:17 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(05-11-2013 10:33 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/



So you discredit what is said about subject x by showing what the same person said about subject a. "This car mechanic likes Brussels sprouts which I think are gross therefore what he says about my car engine must be bullshit".

Are you going to address this ten year study mentioned in the video?

http://mylespower.co.uk/2013/05/22/outri...f-numbers/
Quote:Nancy begins to talk about her study and says, ‘I did a study of the heterosexual transmission of HIV in California and we recruited individuals who were infected with HIV. Then we recruited their sexual partners and we look at whether transmission has occurred.’ As she is saying this, we are shown a picture of the front page of her published research. We then cut to Liam, who tells us that no one in this ten year study contracted HIV from their partners. ‘How many of them of them do you think, after ten years with the world’s most terrifying virulent disease came up positive? Nobody. Nobody. Nobody who was negative came up positive. Zero.’ You might be wondering why Liam is the one discussing the findings and not the scientist who conducted the study. This is because Brent wants to fool the viewer into thinking that no one in the study contracted AIDS from their partner and Liam was probably the only one interviewed who was stupid enough to lie about the research. He is not misinterpreting the data, he is flat out lying and therefore so is Brent. Nancy’s study shows that HIV can be transmitted through heterosexual sex and notes that male-to-female transmission is approximately eight times more efficient than female-to-male transmission. Even in the low resolution copy of the film I found I could clearly see on the front page of Nancy’s paper that it says, ‘Overall, 68 (19%) of the 360 female partners of HIV-infected men (95% confidence interval (Cl) 15.0-23.3%) and two (2.4%) of the 82 male partners of HIV-infected women (95% Cl 0.3-8.5%) were infected.’

I find it hard to understand why Brent thought that it was acceptable to have a man lying about a piece of research on the transmission of HIV (a deadly virus!) in his documentary. I also don’t understand why he missed the opportunity to ask one of the many scientists who have dedicated their lives to HIV/AIDS who feature in his documentary about the paper’s findings. FFS, the documentary featured the woman who actually wrote the paper! Do you think she believes that no one in this study contracted HIV from their partners? The level of deception is truly unbelievable.

Lying about the finding by a creationist is your compelling argument? to quote Earmuffs "I and I you're an idiot"

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