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09-08-2015, 02:52 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 02:07 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 01:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  Yes, everyone deserve hell. We all do at least some of those things. But we can improve ourselves. We can try to be better today then we were yesterday.
Many people do this also. They will go to heaven.

All of them? Even heathens?
yes, there are three degrees of glory in heaven

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09-08-2015, 03:56 PM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2015 04:01 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 02:52 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 02:07 PM)Dom Wrote:  All of them? Even heathens?
yes, there are three degrees of glory in heaven

annnnd another faith claim, presented as a knowledge claim. Even when you nod your head knowingly while saying it, as if to affirm its truth, in the end it is still unfounded. You don't KNOW there are three levels of heaven or even if heaven exists. Thus you can't make the statement, "There are three degrees of glory in heaven"....what you could say is, "I HOPE there is three degrees of glory in heaven"....or..."I wish there was three degrees of glory in heaven"....or "I believe there is three degrees of glory in heaven" or more accurately, "I have faith there is three degrees of glory in heaven"

Since faith is the belief in something without evidence, THAT would be an accurate statement.

For those who aren't as familiar with the cult of mormonism, they believe in three levels of heaven:

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09-08-2015, 04:02 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 03:56 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 02:52 PM)Alla Wrote:  yes, there are three degrees of glory in heaven

annnnd another faith claim, presented as a knowledge claim. Even when you nod your head knowingly while saying it, as if to affirm its truth, in the end it is still unfounded. You don't KNOW there are three levels of heaven or even if heaven exists. Thus you can't make the statement, "There are three degrees of glory in heaven"....what you could say is, "I HOPE there is three degrees of glory in heaven"....or..."I wish there was three degrees of glory in heaven"....or "I believe there is three degrees of glory in heaven" or more accurately, "I have faith there is three degrees of glory in heaven"

Since faith is the belief in something without evidence, THAT would be an accurate statement.

For those who aren't as familiar with the cult of mormonism, they believe in three levels of heaven:

[Image: 2v0yaue.jpg]

[Image: 20f5k7n.png]

Looking at that first one makes me feel like I should be investing into a condo or something...

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09-08-2015, 04:04 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 04:02 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 03:56 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  annnnd another faith claim, presented as a knowledge claim. Even when you nod your head knowingly while saying it, as if to affirm its truth, in the end it is still unfounded. You don't KNOW there are three levels of heaven or even if heaven exists. Thus you can't make the statement, "There are three degrees of glory in heaven"....what you could say is, "I HOPE there is three degrees of glory in heaven"....or..."I wish there was three degrees of glory in heaven"....or "I believe there is three degrees of glory in heaven" or more accurately, "I have faith there is three degrees of glory in heaven"

Since faith is the belief in something without evidence, THAT would be an accurate statement.

For those who aren't as familiar with the cult of mormonism, they believe in three levels of heaven:

[Image: 2v0yaue.jpg]

[Image: 20f5k7n.png]

Looking at that first one makes me feel like I should be investing into a condo or something...

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09-08-2015, 04:20 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
Everyone except Muffsy and Heywood.
Yes

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09-08-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 03:56 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  you can't make the statement, "There are three degrees of glory in heaven"....what you could say is, "I HOPE there is three degrees of glory in heaven"....or..."I wish there was three degrees of glory in heaven"....or "I believe there is three degrees of glory in heaven" or more accurately, "I have faith there is three degrees of glory in heaven"

Since faith is the belief in something without evidence, THAT would be an accurate statement.
God confirmed to me that there are three degrees of His glory. I trust Him.
So, you are right. Because I believe that God told me the truth I believe that there are three degrees of His glory.

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09-08-2015, 06:23 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 06:09 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 03:56 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  you can't make the statement, "There are three degrees of glory in heaven"....what you could say is, "I HOPE there is three degrees of glory in heaven"....or..."I wish there was three degrees of glory in heaven"....or "I believe there is three degrees of glory in heaven" or more accurately, "I have faith there is three degrees of glory in heaven"

Since faith is the belief in something without evidence, THAT would be an accurate statement.
God confirmed to me that there are three degrees of His glory. I trust Him.
So, you are right. Because I believe that God told me the truth I believe that there are three degrees of His glory.

Excellent, now ask yourself...how do you know god confirmed to you that there are three degrees of his glory? Did you hear a voice? Did the little red phone next to your bedside ring and on the other end was god with an urgent message for you? How did you ascertain it was god? Or did you think real hard about it, perhaps uttered a prayer asking for god to reveal the truth to you, and whatever thought appeared next in your mind you contributed to be god answering you? Did you get maybe a warm fuzzy feeling?

I agree that you most likely truly believe that, belief is not the litmus test for truth however. So ask yourself....how do you KNOW.

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09-08-2015, 06:36 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 06:09 PM)Alla Wrote:  God confirmed to me that there are three degrees of His glory. I trust Him.
So, you are right. Because I believe that God told me the truth I believe that there are three degrees of His glory.

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09-08-2015, 06:44 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Excellent, now ask yourself...how do you know god confirmed to you that there are three degrees of his glory?
by the power of the Holy Ghost

(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  How did you ascertain it was god?
He told me and I trust Him. So, yes I believe that there are three glories.
(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I agree that you most likely truly believe that, belief is not the litmus test for truth however. So ask yourself....how do you KNOW.
I don't know. I just believe that what God confirmed to me was true.
I believe that He is God because I trust Him. Why? I don't know. I guess the power of the Holy Ghost is very convincing.

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09-08-2015, 06:47 PM
RE: Who can go to heaven?
(09-08-2015 06:44 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Excellent, now ask yourself...how do you know god confirmed to you that there are three degrees of his glory?
by the power of the Holy Ghost

(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  How did you ascertain it was god?
He told me and I trust Him. So, yes I believe that there are three glories.
(09-08-2015 06:23 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I agree that you most likely truly believe that, belief is not the litmus test for truth however. So ask yourself....how do you KNOW.
I don't know. I just believe that what God confirmed to me is true.
I believe that He is God because I trust Him. Why? I don't know. I guess the power of the Holy Ghost is very convincing.

You do realize the Holy Ghost has only three fingers and when he holds them all up he doesn't mean three, right?

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