Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
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17-05-2013, 12:37 PM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
Who defeated the Germans? If you mean the Nazis in WWII I would say every allied country contributed. Did the Russians sacrifice more than anyone? Certainly. Would they have stopped the Third Reich by themselves? Almost certainly not. The Americans help split the German Forces by advancing from the south and south west. Europeans resisted and eventually helped drive back the occupational forces in France, Finland, and elsewhere. The British help fight the Axis Forces in the air and in the Mediterranean. All of the allied forces help defeat Hitler's forces. Not all were necessary to overcome, but all were contributing factors in the demise of Nazi Germany.

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18-05-2013, 09:38 AM
Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
(17-05-2013 12:37 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Who defeated the Germans? If you mean the Nazis in WWII I would say every allied country contributed. Did the Russians sacrifice more than anyone? Certainly. Would they have stopped the Third Reich by themselves? Almost certainly not. The Americans help split the German Forces by advancing from the south and south west. Europeans resisted and eventually helped drive back the occupational forces in France, Finland, and elsewhere. The British help fight the Axis Forces in the air and in the Mediterranean. All of the allied forces help defeat Hitler's forces. Not all were necessary to overcome, but all were contributing factors in the demise of Nazi Germany.

What percent of the German military was directed at the other allies? Hitler sent 3 million soldiers to Russia for the initial invasion.
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18-05-2013, 12:59 PM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2013 01:04 PM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
(18-05-2013 09:38 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(17-05-2013 12:37 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Who defeated the Germans? If you mean the Nazis in WWII I would say every allied country contributed. Did the Russians sacrifice more than anyone? Certainly. Would they have stopped the Third Reich by themselves? Almost certainly not. The Americans help split the German Forces by advancing from the south and south west. Europeans resisted and eventually helped drive back the occupational forces in France, Finland, and elsewhere. The British help fight the Axis Forces in the air and in the Mediterranean. All of the allied forces help defeat Hitler's forces. Not all were necessary to overcome, but all were contributing factors in the demise of Nazi Germany.

What percent of the German military was directed at the other allies? Hitler sent 3 million soldiers to Russia for the initial invasion.

More than Germany could afford. How many that were sent during the initial invasion is irrelevant, the other allies hadn't really entered the picture yet. When Russia began pushing westward against the German forces, the rest of the Allied forces were making progress into Western Europe, splitting German forces between two fronts. Germany, in order to stand a chance against the Russian military steamroll, would have needed to concentrate all its forces on the Eastern front, which it couldn't do.

Absolutely, Russia was the single largest threat to Germany and the major contributor to crushing it and the other allies really ham up their efforts as been significantly more vital than they actually were, but this dichotomy of only ONE of them actually defeating the Germans is unnecessary. Russia was the big one, but being forced to split troops between two fronts made Germany double-fucked.

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20-05-2013, 01:15 AM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
If Hitler didn't have to fight the Soviets, Europe's defense would have been too much for the allies.
If Hitler didn't have to worry about the Allies, he would have sent 3 tim as much troops and resources into operation Barbarossa.
Symbiosys.

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20-05-2013, 10:13 AM
Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
(20-05-2013 01:15 AM)Caveman Wrote:  If Hitler didn't have to fight the Soviets, Europe's defense would have been too much for the allies.
If Hitler didn't have to worry about the Allies, he would have sent 3 tim as much troops and resources into operation Barbarossa.
Symbiosys.

Hitler wasn't defending any territory from the allies during most of ww2 besides Russian territory. How much manpower was hitler using to attack England?
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20-05-2013, 04:28 PM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
(20-05-2013 10:13 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(20-05-2013 01:15 AM)Caveman Wrote:  If Hitler didn't have to fight the Soviets, Europe's defense would have been too much for the allies.
If Hitler didn't have to worry about the Allies, he would have sent 3 tim as much troops and resources into operation Barbarossa.
Symbiosys.

Hitler wasn't defending any territory from the allies during most of ww2 besides Russian territory. How much manpower was hitler using to attack England?

No, but if Hitler had commited all his forces to the defense and further fortification of Europe, the allies would have thought twice about invading, and even if they did invade, the invasion might have failed.

But Hitler took a substantial number of forces: sent them on a very long shot, and missed. Now not only was Europe less defended from an invasion to the west: it's defense would decrease even more to fortify the east.
This was a double bonus for the Allies, allowing them to face a substantially weaker defender.

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20-05-2013, 05:28 PM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
It's a great thing that Hitler was not a smart military leader. Political genius, yes, but military... maybe almost as incompetent as Nicholas II.

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20-05-2013, 06:22 PM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
(20-05-2013 05:28 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  It's a great thing that Hitler was not a smart military leader. Political genius, yes, but military... maybe almost as incompetent as Nicholas II.

I think some of it was Hitler being a victim of his own early success. Blitzkrieg worked so well in the opening part of the war that the Nazi hierarchy never really changed tactics. Then again some people just never played risk as a kid.

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20-05-2013, 08:37 PM
RE: Who defeated the Germans? The Soviet Union or the other allies?
It's perhaps a touch reductive to just say "Hitler was a bad general"; there were plenty of duds in Allied brass uniforms too! And his degenerating mental state was not really obvious until 1944 - well after the tide of the war had turned.

Really, the biggest German failings were ideological (Nazis gonna Nazi, after all). That wasn't just Hitler, it was most of the German high command, to varying degrees. Mostly this was manifested as massively underestimating their opponents - the British will to fight "fellow Aryans", the poor morale and unreliability of "mongrel" Americans, and of course the subhuman judeo-bolshevik asiatic vermin Soviet soldiers, who had a stubborn tendency to not just surrender to their new genocidal overlords.

To quote a line relevant in Canadian history: just because your opponent says that invading will be "a mere matter of marching", doesn't make it true.
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