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29-01-2016, 11:00 PM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
The answer is clearly James A. Garfield.

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29-01-2016, 11:44 PM
Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 03:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-01-2016 07:17 AM)80sChild Wrote:  “Reagan was not afraid to ruffle feathers and put dramatic, even radical plans on the table. That is how he created the Reagan Revolution that revitalized America.”

Reagan faced difficulties on many fronts when he entered the White House in January 1981.

The nation was heavily embroiled in the Cold War. The Soviets had invaded Afghanistan a year earlier. Until the day of Reagan’s inauguration, Iran had held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

After four years of the Jimmy Carter presidency. Inflation stood around 12.5 percent, unemployment was 7.5 percent, and the top tax rate was 70 percent.

Reagan implemented free market policies that came to be known as Reaganomics — drastically reducing taxes on income and capital gains, cutting spending on many federal programs, and deregulating the economy.
The result: the largest economic boom in U.S. history.

Reagan’s policies created more than 16 million new jobs, and the GDP grew at an annual rate of 3.85 percent a year. By the time Reagan left office, inflation had plunged to just 4.4 percent, and unemployment had dropped to 5.4 percent.

Reagan also stood up to the Soviet Union, branding it “an evil empire” in a March 1983 speech. He ordered a massive buildup of American armed forces, and introduced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) — later dubbed “Star Wars” — to protect the United States from nuclear ballistic missiles launched by the U.S.S.R.

He also boosted aid to anti-communist resistance movements, including the Mujaheddin battling Soviet troops in Afghanistan, and freed the island nation of Grenada from a Marxist government supported by troops from the Soviets’ North American ally, Fidel Castro’s Cuba.

In 1987, Reagan stood at the Berlin Wall and challenged Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down this wall!” Two years later, the Wall came down, and the Cold War was declared over.
Two years after his Berlin Wall speech, the Soviet Union collapsed, a pivotal moment in history many attribute largely to Reagan’s huge military buildup and threat of building the SDI — moves that could not be matched by the floundering Soviet economy.

On the home front, Reagan endeared himself to average Americans with a straightforward, no-nonsense style that earned him the nickname “The Great Communicator.”

But Reagan’s greatest accomplishment, he said at the end of his presidency, was that he made Americans feel proud of their country again.

Reagan's combination of tax cuts and defense spending increased the national debt substantially.

Ok maybe so, but nothing compared to Obama! Lol
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29-01-2016, 11:49 PM
Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 07:13 AM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ Wikipedia disagrees with you...

Ooh so that must make it so then. I don't give a rats ass what Wikipedia says !!
Whatever. Guess we know why US citizens are all so "well informed" now! Because if Wikipedia says it, by gosh it's the truth!!
Think for yourself for gods sake!!
Grow up!!
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30-01-2016, 12:06 AM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 07:01 AM)80sChild Wrote:  Lincoln . Lincoln was called a dictator and a tyrant by many Northerners for his blatant abuse of the constitution. Suspending habeas corpus, blockading Southern ports, sending soldiers into battle without a declaration of war — with disdain. And, as African-American historian Lerone Bennett, Jr. has shown, Lincoln was hardly the savior of black America.
History, has been greatly misrepresented. It has been characterized as a glorious conflict to free the slaves, which I guess sounds a lot better than saying more than 600,000 people died as a result of money and power the real root of that war. ves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free none of the slaves and preserve the Union I would do that. If I could free some slaves and leave others is place and save the Union, I would do that also. That quote came directly from a history textbook I used at James Madison University.
And what did preserve the union mean? It meant preserving economic and taxation authority over the resources of states of the South by an overbearing central government that knew best for everybody. (Sound familiar?)
Its also is well-documented that Lincoln refused to admit blacks into the Northern Army, because he thought they would be unreliable soldiers who couldnt be trusted to care for their rifles and other equipment. And when African-Americans finally were recruited to serve, mainly due to the North needing manpower, they were assigned to segregated units.
In the 1850s Lincoln had advocated sending freed slaves to Liberia. He was considered a racist.

Here he says:

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the
institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have
no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." - 1860


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not
either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without
freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some
and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery,
and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union." - Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862.

Lincoln is always mentioned in the Top Five Presidents of all-time mostly as a savior of civil rights which was an afterthought - he was certainly no advocate for blacks or ending slavery.


Would Lincoln be considered a racist by today's standards? Yes. However, by the standards of his own time, he was fairly progressive. Did he think they were not the equals of whites? Sure. Did that opinion change over time? It did. However even when he thought they were not the equals of whites, he still didn't think they deserved slavery; even if he was enough of a pragmatist that he'd keep slavery around to avoid a civil war. Another thing to consider is, how much of that represents his actual feelings, and how much of that is positioning and realpolitik? Did he not allow blacks into the Union Army because he genuinely thought they were inferior, or because of the ramifications it would cause in the pro-slavery states that sided with the Union? Personal politics aside, he did put forth the Emancipation Proclamation; regardless of his personal politics, he is still largely responsible for the ending of institutionalized slavery in the United States.


But make no mistake, the southern states ceded explicitly to maintain the institution of slavery against the changing times; and anything that attempts to lessen that point is blatant revisionism.

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30-01-2016, 02:41 AM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 11:49 PM)80sChild Wrote:  
(29-01-2016 07:13 AM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ Wikipedia disagrees with you...

Ooh so that must make it so then. I don't give a rats ass what Wikipedia says !!
Whatever. Guess we know why US citizens are all so "well informed" now! Because if Wikipedia says it, by gosh it's the truth!!
Think for yourself for gods sake!!
Grow up!!

So I should listen to some fool rambling on a net forum for my information? That's the grown up thing to do?

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30-01-2016, 03:22 AM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 11:49 PM)80sChild Wrote:  
(29-01-2016 07:13 AM)morondog Wrote:  ^^ Wikipedia disagrees with you...

Ooh so that must make it so then. I don't give a rats ass what Wikipedia says !!
Whatever. Guess we know why US citizens are all so "well informed" now! Because if Wikipedia says it, by gosh it's the truth!!
Think for yourself for gods sake!!
Grow up!!

For one, you forgot the apostrophe, among many other grammar mistakes. But invoking god, on an atheist forum? Not many of us here give a shit about doing anything for the sake of any deity.

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01-02-2016, 12:24 PM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
Every time I think that the people of this country will never put Trump in the White House, I remember that they put Reagan in it. They also put George W. Bush in it. Americans do not have a very good record when it comes to picking presidents. Many of my friends have bought homes outside the US, predominantly in Europe, and they have moved large sums of money out of the country fearing another Republican administration. I point out that we all lost money in the market during the Bush years but we recovered it, and more, during the Obama years. Somehow we survive even when the country elects stupid bastards.
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01-02-2016, 12:28 PM (This post was last modified: 01-02-2016 12:35 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
Taft's obesity is overrated. I'd take him in the dohyō.

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01-02-2016, 09:20 PM
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
(29-01-2016 11:44 PM)80sChild Wrote:  
(29-01-2016 03:15 PM)Chas Wrote:  Reagan's combination of tax cuts and defense spending increased the national debt substantially.

Ok maybe so, but nothing compared to Obama! Lol

Have you ever tried fact-checking? LOL.

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14-02-2016, 04:15 PM (This post was last modified: 14-02-2016 04:25 PM by Kaneda.)
RE: Who do you think is the most overrated US president ever?
Isn’t there someone who a least deserves honorable mention here?
The one…
The only…..
William Jefferson Clinton!





Sure he’s looked upon fondly by many as the peace and prosperity Head of State of the 1990s, but there were a lot of important missteps in his administration that bear recalling, in no small part because we’re still dealing their repercussions today.

• He neglected to regulate derivatives on Wall Street. He also repealed parts of Glass-Steagall that prevented major banks from gambling with depositor’s money, which had a lot to do with the subprime mortgage crisis of the late 00’s.

• He helped push through the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement act, allotting billions of dollars toward new state prisons, administering new draconian sentencing laws for nonviolent offenses, and ballooning the state prison population nationwide.

• He supported the Iraq sanctions championed by the US and the UK, which disproportionately hurt the young and the poor in the country by severely limiting access to basic nutrition and medicine and ended up costing hundreds of thousands of lives.

• The president strongly supported NAFTA, the infamous trade deal purported to benefit the economies to the US, Mexico and Canada, but whose provisions ultimately created a whopping trade deficit with its neighbors to the North and South, eliminated over half a million jobs in the country, and accelerated the blanket trend of moving wealth from labor to capital.

• In a bid to “end welfare as we know it,” Clinton instituted punitive welfare reform by scrapping the 60-year old “Aid to Families with Dependent Children,” replacing it with the more restrictive “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families” program. From 1996 to 2012, the percentage of families living in poverty that qualifies for welfare assistance fell from 68 percent to 27 percent, with the fallout overwhelmingly hitting areas with more minorities.

• Signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law, which would impose a litany of restrictions on the rights of gay couples for the next decade and protected common discrimination in public life. These restrictions were appeared included tax and social security options, hospital visitation rights, legal recognition of marriage across state lines.

• The administration knew about the Rwandan Genocide and did nothing.

• Bombed a Sudanese Pharmaceutical producing pharmaceutical drugs under the claim that the plant was producing a deadly nerve agent in collusion with Osama Bin Laden.

• Strained relations with China by bombing the Chinese embassy, which was “allegedly” an enemy military operation. China still claims the attack was a deliberate provocation.

• He was one of the pioneers of Extraordinary Rendition, opening the gates for government operatives to extradite criminal suspects to foreign countries where they can practice torture unimpeded by national laws.



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