Who or what throws the dice for atheists?
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14-11-2013, 05:34 AM
RE: Who or what throws the dice for atheists?
(13-11-2013 09:22 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(13-11-2013 09:19 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Eh. Sorry guys, but that is indeed a different phenomenon. The examples I gave were supposing perfect measurement!

The nature of wave packets is such that a function (ie position) and its time-domain Fourier transform (ie momentum) cannot be simultaneously arbitrarily localised. That's purely mathematical, and is, as we say, 'agnostic' (it does not depend on the specifics of any given system or measurement). Or, put another way, the product of statistical uncertainties for non-commuting operators is never less than the expectation value of their commutator.

However, and here is where confusion arises, one may say that the "total" uncertainty (such as with an imperfect real-world measurement) is then a product of measurement error and statistical uncertainty. In theory the measurement error can be made arbitrarily small. In practice, not so much. Heisenberg himself was indeed only concerned with measurement error at first. But

Perhaps the issue is that theoretical physicists are only ever concerned with statistical uncertainty, and experimental physicists are only ever concerned with measurement uncertainty!


Heisenberg didn't know everything Tongue.

Translation: Rhan and Chas were describing the observer effect and not uncertainty.

I was describing what Heisenberg conjectured.

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14-11-2013, 02:09 PM
Re: Who or what throws the dice for atheists?
This is a joke question right?

Cause it's loaded like dice? Clever troll Q

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