Who was Saint Paul?
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18-08-2015, 08:47 AM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 07:37 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 07:22 AM)Free Wrote:  It's obvious to me you have never been involved in any religious practices.

Laugh out load

Because he is sane and rational? Consider

That, but also he sees things from such a strong physical point of view.

For example, if Christ is a spirit, then genetics, dna, etc do not apply. Hence, the spirit has a father, and Jesus the physical man also has a father.

Two fathers.

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18-08-2015, 08:49 AM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 08:47 AM)Free Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 07:37 AM)Chas Wrote:  Because he is sane and rational? Consider

That, but also he sees things from such a strong physical point of view.

For example, if Christ is a spirit, then genetics, dna, etc do not apply. Hence, the spirit has a father, and Jesus the physical man also has a father.

Two fathers.

Except in the Bible they are one and the same.

One father.

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18-08-2015, 09:11 AM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 08:49 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 08:47 AM)Free Wrote:  That, but also he sees things from such a strong physical point of view.

For example, if Christ is a spirit, then genetics, dna, etc do not apply. Hence, the spirit has a father, and Jesus the physical man also has a father.

Two fathers.

Except in the Bible they are one and the same.

One father.

I depends on perspective, I guess.

Mark says his idea of Christ was spiritual, which is accurate in my view. I tend to separate the physical side of Jesus from the spiritual side/theology (Christ) to get a better understanding.

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18-08-2015, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 18-08-2015 11:13 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 07:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 02:27 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  "My work is out there either under my real name, or under my nom de plume. I do not write under "Free" any more than you would write anything serious as Bucky Ball.
Who the fuck does that?"

Apparently there is a stupid Australian quack who's done that somewhere around here.
Can you believe it?Tongue

Yabut, what would you expect from a quack? Big Grin

I made a deliberate decision to use my own name and not worry about possible consequences.

I am proud of what I write. I am not afraid of being made to look, or be wrong about some things.
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20-08-2015, 06:44 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
Mark, before I give my opinion on Part 2, can you provide some evidence to support the following assertions?

Quote:The few passages that suggest Paul’s Christ was once a living person are probably interpolations.

Quote:Paul was heavily influenced by the Gentile world, and was probably a government agent employed to undermine and report on problematic Jews, a job he took very seriously.

Quote:What is just as unfortunate is that Churches have successfully used Paul’s messages in exactly the same way the Romans originally intended, and that was to create a docile, humbled, guilt ridden people.

Thanks.

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21-08-2015, 01:55 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 07:21 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yabut, what would you expect from a quack? Big Grin

I made a deliberate decision to use my own name and not worry about possible consequences.

I am proud of what I write. I am not afraid of being made to look, or be wrong about some things.

Yeah, I have made no real effort to hide my identity. My picture, pictures of my house, pictures of my family, name , town, and date of birth are all here on this forum.

If someone wants a piece of me, I'm not hard to find.

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21-08-2015, 02:03 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(18-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I made a deliberate decision to use my own name and not worry about possible consequences.

I am proud of what I write. I am not afraid of being made to look, or be wrong about some things.

Meanwhile, I go to great pains to keep my online and real life identities separate. My various online identities aren't hard to figure out; I tend to use a handful of easily-identifiable usernames, signatures, avatars, and so on, and my posting style tends to be fairly distinct (like Chas, I don't usually go in for more than a handful of sentences, and I tend to repeat things like "this is not complicated" rather a lot). But I do my best not to give away too many details about who I am outside of this.

This is because, behind the keyboard, I am a writer, and a writer's ability to get published - or, after being published, to have their books sell - depends in large part on public opinion of them. I haven't said anything in my online discussions that I wouldn't be happy to say to someone's face if the discussion came up, but keeping my identities separate so that I can more easily manage public opinion will almost certainly be something that I am glad to have done down the road.

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21-08-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(21-08-2015 01:55 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I made a deliberate decision to use my own name and not worry about possible consequences.

I am proud of what I write. I am not afraid of being made to look, or be wrong about some things.

Yeah, I have made no real effort to hide my identity. My picture, pictures of my house, pictures of my family, name , town, and date of birth are all here on this forum.

If someone wants a piece of me, I'm not hard to find.

Ok. Me too. Big Grin
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21-08-2015, 02:25 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
Ah, okay.... see, I didn't make the connection that Saint Paul was the same as just regular Paul. So when I saw this thread, I thought it was referring to a more recent historical figure like Saint Patrick or Saint Valentine.

... much still be to learned.

Now I'm excited to go through this thread and hopefully submit my two cents.
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21-08-2015, 02:32 PM
RE: Who was Saint Paul?
(21-08-2015 02:03 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  
(18-08-2015 03:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I made a deliberate decision to use my own name and not worry about possible consequences.

I am proud of what I write. I am not afraid of being made to look, or be wrong about some things.

Meanwhile, I go to great pains to keep my online and real life identities separate. My various online identities aren't hard to figure out; I tend to use a handful of easily-identifiable usernames, signatures, avatars, and so on, and my posting style tends to be fairly distinct (like Chas, I don't usually go in for more than a handful of sentences, and I tend to repeat things like "this is not complicated" rather a lot). But I do my best not to give away too many details about who I am outside of this.

This is because, behind the keyboard, I am a writer, and a writer's ability to get published - or, after being published, to have their books sell - depends in large part on public opinion of them. I haven't said anything in my online discussions that I wouldn't be happy to say to someone's face if the discussion came up, but keeping my identities separate so that I can more easily manage public opinion will almost certainly be something that I am glad to have done down the road.

That makes complete sense.
It is possible that my job/consulting prospects might be damaged if some theist hiring manager/customer connected the dots.

C'est la vie. Drinking Beverage

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