Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
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23-12-2013, 08:01 AM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
(23-12-2013 01:24 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Preparing for the end times and they have a prediction date and everything.

How original. Weeping

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23-12-2013, 09:50 AM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
I'm still upset about how the world ended killing all of us last year. And about it ending seven years ago. And eight years ago. And thirteen years ago. It seems we die and the world ends quite a lot.
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23-12-2013, 11:48 AM (This post was last modified: 23-12-2013 11:52 AM by anonymous66.)
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
(19-12-2013 10:14 PM)savedwheat Wrote:  I just wanted you to know what I believe, why I believe it and why I can't change what I believe, because the evidence is too substantial and powerful.

For me there is no debate between atheism and theism, because I know the universe can't come from nothing--that which does not exist--for that which does not exist can't cause anything as it does not exist. So the universe has to come from something.

But what is that something? For starters, that something can't be an infinite regress of cause and effects, because if there was an infinite regress of cause and effects in nature, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened, having had an eternity to do so. Infinite regress further contradicts itself because if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, you should have never existed, because a past eternity would go on for eternity never reaching this point now today.

Therefore, it stands to reason that nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated that we can call the uncreated Creator that always existed.

And since the uncreated Creator can't be less than us, it must have a mind for that which is less than a mind can't cause a mind. A mind is needed to create a mind--with self-awareness and God-consciousness. And we are personal so the uncreated Creator must be personal for the impersonal can't cause the personal. And as we are accessible so is the uncreated Creator must be accessible as His standards cannot be below our own. There are only 3 faiths in the world that are accessible with enough adherents to span the globe and not hidden from plain view or difficult to access: Christianity, Islam and Hinduism.

But Hinduism is false, because that would be silly for you to come back as a chicken if you were a bad human and never effectively deals with sin by receiving endless chances. And the god of Hinduism, Brahma, is considered impersonal it is said which is below our nature of being personal. Islam is false because it has no evidence six centuries later to claim Jesus never even went to the cross, contrary to the scores of evidence, Jesus died on the cross as the most documented person in antiquity who had more sources written about Him than any ten figures combined from antiquity within 150 years of their deaths.

Without knowing anything else, we know, therefore, Christianity must be true. But the proof for Christianity (the 66 books of the Bible proves itself to be true) is the resurrection of Jesus proving He is God as only God can resurrect Himself. Since there is no naturalistic explanation to account for the multiple eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings, therefore, it must be true they were with Jesus for 40 days after resurrection. Group hallucinations are medically impossible. People don't willingly die for what they know is a lie. The swoon theory wouldn't convince anyone Jesus is the risen Lord. The only plausible explanation is Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

I also believe God is infinitely greater than us so no amount of work or self-improvement can bridge the gap between us and God. We will always fall short and never fully satisfy God's heart. Islam and Hinduism follow this works based faith scheme of self-improvement, and they can never sure if they are saved. Only in Christianity do you find God personally enters His creation to save us when we can't save ourselves, by taking upon Himself the sins of the world to forgive any who would receive Him to be saved and receive eternal life. Instead of us working our way up to God, God condescends Himself for our benefit and pays the penalty in our stead. That is the greatest love ever known!

I just wanted you to know why I believe what I believe, for I don't know how to overturn this evidence, thus, locked into my faith as a Christian for that is the God I gave my life to be kept when I certainly couldn't keep myself saved. God draws all, but sadly many "draw back unto perdition" (Heb. 10.39). "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10.28). I would only ask that you hold yourself to the highest standard of evidence I have provided here. Don't accept anything less.

Praise the Lord!

You've made some assumptions.
1.You claim that a prime mover must exist. It's debatable. Perhaps. I agree that because of the cause and effect nature of our universe, it seems likely.... but, there are physicists who are toying with the idea that everything could literally have come from nothing. Google "a universe from nothing".

2. You claim that this prime mover must be a deity. That is an assertion. It's also possible that this prime mover, if it does even exist, could be some mindless natural process that we just don't understand.

3. You claim that this deity must be the God of the Bible. You're going to have to do some work to convince people that the God of the Bible is somehow more believable than other Gods.

4. You clam that Jesus' resurrection is a fact. That has yet to be proved. I can grant you that Jesus may have been a historical figure. But, everything else you claim- that Jesus was resurrected and that His followers were convinced of that fact, remain to be proved. Even if it could be proved that Jesus followers went to their deaths (and it hasn't been proved), that in and of itself is not proof that Jesus was resurrected. Religious followers are more than willing to go to their deaths for what they believe, whether or not those beliefs are based on fact, as the 2001 attacks so clearly showed.
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23-12-2013, 12:20 PM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
Lets leave this thread at 42 pages, plz. Big Grin Douglas Adams FTW!

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23-12-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
[Image: dead-horse.gif] The OP has been banned.

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23-12-2013, 05:21 PM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
The Op has re-launched over at atheistforums.org
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23-12-2013, 05:34 PM (This post was last modified: 24-12-2013 08:33 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
(23-12-2013 05:21 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  The Op has re-launched over at atheistforums.org

The "OP" has nothing to contribute, other than lame boring hackneyed (long-ago debunked) assertions. The "OP" is unsound, mentally.
Clearly religion has done him no good.
SO glad I actually have no one like that IRL I have to deal with.
I mean Habermas ? Seriously ? He couldn't get a job at a REAL academic institution if he tried. So he, and all his fundie buddies, (like Lee Stroebel), hang around Biola, and Liberty and do the Bible College circuit, and put on conferences. What a complete joke.

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23-12-2013, 06:08 PM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
(23-12-2013 05:34 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The "OP" has nothing to contribute...
SO glad I actually have no one like that IRL I have to deal with.....

Easy to ban people, and burn books you dont like, and put your fingers in your ears, and shove your head in the sand.
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23-12-2013, 06:12 PM
RE: Why Am I a Theist, not an Atheist, and Not Just Any Kind of Theist
(23-12-2013 06:08 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  
(23-12-2013 05:34 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The "OP" has nothing to contribute...
SO glad I actually have no one like that IRL I have to deal with.....

Easy to ban people, and burn books you dont like, and put your fingers in your ears, and shove your head in the sand.

Worked well enough for you for quite a long time.

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23-12-2013, 06:13 PM
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(23-12-2013 06:08 PM)Lion IRC Wrote:  Easy to ban people.

Are you aware of how long the OP was spamming his nonsense? I would have banned him long before the mods here did,
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