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31-03-2015, 03:48 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 03:05 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 12:22 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  just because i'm an atheist, you can't expect me to support atheism for every single point, that's called bias, and it's certainly not the way i became an atheist. and if you insist enough, i'm from muslim background, arab to be exact, studying in a dutch university in dutch language. that's all i have to say, i don't care what you're gonna believe or not believe after this.

That sounds like an interesting story. So how did you become atheist?

initially i used to think about "blasphemy" subjects that weren't acceptable as topics of discussion, like what if i pissed on the quran or launched a rocket at the ka'ba (the black building muslims walk around as pilgrimage). i used to hear stories about gawd fuckin up complete societies just for their lack of disbelief in him or sexual choices (like noah), and thought that disrespecting the quran is much more of a sin and deserves a more hostile response, but nothing happened. also there are stories in the quran about birds carrying stones on fire killing the shit out of people who were going to destroy the ka'ba, and it felt illogical that a rocket launched at it wouldn't get it to shreds on the ground. these were just as a beginning when i were very young 6 or 7 i guess, i remember also sitting on the fence and saying fuck god and nothing would happen. later on as i grew, i started to think about points of view, why does the quran carry so much against the jews, why christians wouldn't convert to islam, jews to christians, muslims to buddhists, it all backed up the idea that we didn't choose this, our societies did. also then to ethics about why does there need to be someone better than us (no, islam is not like christianity, you're not taught that god is your lover, rather someone who'll fry the shit out of you for listening to songs), naturally complete while we are born sinnable and we'll have to suffer the consequences, why so many things are allowed in christianity but banned in islam, like pork etc even though they're harmless. i can go on with this for ages, but in short, it's the same set of questions that logical reasoning would get a brain to consider once you let it function. one incident in particular had much effect on me: remember when some iraqi guy threw a shoe at the american president in a press conference? on some channel, they were showing interviews with random people from the streets asking them about their opinions about what happened. as someone growing up in a muslim society, where usa is "the greatest devil", i were applauding people who were saying that the iraqi journalist is a hero, but then someone said "the journalist deserved it, that's what you get when you insult a country's president" i got mad and told my mom that they should get this guy killed, but she objected, she said if i disagree with his views, it doesn't give me the right to disrespect him, these words got stuck in my mind and appealed to me to be true, then i started seeing that muslims all around were doing the very exact opposite of that, hate and disrespect for anyone who disagrees with their beliefs or views.
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31-03-2015, 03:54 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 03:48 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 03:05 PM)Dom Wrote:  That sounds like an interesting story. So how did you become atheist?

initially i used to think about "blasphemy" subjects that weren't acceptable as topics of discussion, like what if i pissed on the quran or launched a rocket at the ka'ba (the black building muslims walk around as pilgrimage). i used to hear stories about gawd fuckin up complete societies just for their lack of disbelief in him or sexual choices (like noah), and thought that disrespecting the quran is much more of a sin and deserves a more hostile response, but nothing happened. also there are stories in the quran about birds carrying stones on fire killing the shit out of people who were going to destroy the ka'ba, and it felt illogical that a rocket launched at it wouldn't get it to shreds on the ground. these were just as a beginning when i were very young 6 or 7 i guess, i remember also sitting on the fence and saying fuck god and nothing would happen. later on as i grew, i started to think about points of view, why does the quran carry so much against the jews, why christians wouldn't convert to islam, jews to christians, muslims to buddhists, it all backed up the idea that we didn't choose this, our societies did. also then to ethics about why does there need to be someone better than us (no, islam is not like christianity, you're not taught that god is your lover, rather someone who'll fry the shit out of you for listening to songs), naturally complete while we are born sinnable and we'll have to suffer the consequences, why so many things are allowed in christianity but banned in islam, like pork etc even though they're harmless. i can go on with this for ages, but in short, it's the same set of questions that logical reasoning would get a brain to consider once you let it function. one incident in particular had much effect on me: remember when some iraqi guy threw a shoe at the american president in a press conference? on some channel, they were showing interviews with random people from the streets asking them about their opinions about what happened. as someone growing up in a muslim society, where usa is "the greatest devil", i were applauding people who were saying that the iraqi journalist is a hero, but then someone said "the journalist deserved it, that's what you get when you insult a country's president" i got mad and told my mom that they should get this guy killed, but she objected, she said if i disagree with his views, it doesn't give me the right to disrespect him, these words got stuck in my mind and appealed to me to be true, then i started seeing that muslims all around were doing the very exact opposite of that, hate and disrespect for anyone who disagrees with their beliefs or views.

As it turns out, that *was* a very interesting read. Bravo!

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31-03-2015, 04:08 PM
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(31-03-2015 03:54 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 03:48 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  initially i used to think about "blasphemy" subjects that weren't acceptable as topics of discussion, like what if i pissed on the quran or launched a rocket at the ka'ba (the black building muslims walk around as pilgrimage). i used to hear stories about gawd fuckin up complete societies just for their lack of disbelief in him or sexual choices (like noah), and thought that disrespecting the quran is much more of a sin and deserves a more hostile response, but nothing happened. also there are stories in the quran about birds carrying stones on fire killing the shit out of people who were going to destroy the ka'ba, and it felt illogical that a rocket launched at it wouldn't get it to shreds on the ground. these were just as a beginning when i were very young 6 or 7 i guess, i remember also sitting on the fence and saying fuck god and nothing would happen. later on as i grew, i started to think about points of view, why does the quran carry so much against the jews, why christians wouldn't convert to islam, jews to christians, muslims to buddhists, it all backed up the idea that we didn't choose this, our societies did. also then to ethics about why does there need to be someone better than us (no, islam is not like christianity, you're not taught that god is your lover, rather someone who'll fry the shit out of you for listening to songs), naturally complete while we are born sinnable and we'll have to suffer the consequences, why so many things are allowed in christianity but banned in islam, like pork etc even though they're harmless. i can go on with this for ages, but in short, it's the same set of questions that logical reasoning would get a brain to consider once you let it function. one incident in particular had much effect on me: remember when some iraqi guy threw a shoe at the american president in a press conference? on some channel, they were showing interviews with random people from the streets asking them about their opinions about what happened. as someone growing up in a muslim society, where usa is "the greatest devil", i were applauding people who were saying that the iraqi journalist is a hero, but then someone said "the journalist deserved it, that's what you get when you insult a country's president" i got mad and told my mom that they should get this guy killed, but she objected, she said if i disagree with his views, it doesn't give me the right to disrespect him, these words got stuck in my mind and appealed to me to be true, then i started seeing that muslims all around were doing the very exact opposite of that, hate and disrespect for anyone who disagrees with their beliefs or views.

As it turns out, that *was* a very interesting read. Bravo!

dom asked for this, i replied, the end. it wasn't meant for you, if you don't like it either don't read it or gfy
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31-03-2015, 04:38 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(30-03-2015 11:00 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  
(30-03-2015 10:53 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  why the fuck are you referencing me to the bible, i told you i'm an atheist, and i'm not even from a christian background. and for the dude who said what appeals to be true to me means none to others, yea you're right. and why are we even arguing about this? like at first we were arguing with someone who said atheism isn't true because of suicidal. well, let's not argue about the truth of suicidal things, i'm off with that subject, you convinced me. But i'm saying there are two cases: first case: not true that atheists suicide: the original poster has no point. second case: atheists do suicide (for the sake of the arguement, i'm not debating this point): this doesn't mean they're wrong. got me now?

Er. No sorry i don't get you. The topic of this thread is whether or not atheists have higher suicide rates (than believers). You cited sources supporting this claim. We told you your sources were inadequate. You seem to acknowledge this. What is your new point, then?

Hello sharshabil. I didn't get a response to my last comment. May I ask if this is still open for discussion? If yes, may i know if you still maintain that atheists have a higher suicide rate?


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31-03-2015, 04:53 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
It would be one thing to say atheists have a higher suicide rate.
It's a whole different story to claim atheism was the cause of the suicide, which is what you seem to be doing.
Evidence of the actual reason for suicide would be helpful.
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31-03-2015, 05:14 PM
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(31-03-2015 12:16 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 08:06 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Well, now; let's be generous. Only European languages, by and large, differentiate letter case - maybe he's from somewhere that doesn't. So he doesn't have no excuse for being too ignorant and lazy to hit the shift key - just a really bad one.

no, i do know how to use the shift key, but i don't use it because i see no use in capitalising letters, and whoever doesn't like it can gfy, i honestly don't care much more than that my idea is conveyed clearly, i'm not into persecuting the details

What a rebel. For those who thought it was a language barrier...guess it's a statement of not following the rules. Impressive.

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31-03-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 04:38 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  
(30-03-2015 11:00 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  Er. No sorry i don't get you. The topic of this thread is whether or not atheists have higher suicide rates (than believers). You cited sources supporting this claim. We told you your sources were inadequate. You seem to acknowledge this. What is your new point, then?

Hello sharshabil. I didn't get a response to my last comment. May I ask if this is still open for discussion? If yes, may i know if you still maintain that atheists have a higher suicide rate?

actually you convinced me, no sarcasm here: i thought of it and found that it's been a claim of weak basis.
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31-03-2015, 07:56 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 12:16 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 08:06 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Well, now; let's be generous. Only European languages, by and large, differentiate letter case - maybe he's from somewhere that doesn't. So he doesn't have no excuse for being too ignorant and lazy to hit the shift key - just a really bad one.

no, i do know how to use the shift key, but i don't use it because i see no use in capitalising letters, and whoever doesn't like it can gfy, i honestly don't care much more than that my idea is conveyed clearly, i'm not into persecuting the details

Ah - so you're just being a self-obsessed tosser, then.

I mean, I guess that's your prerogative, but I cannot help but seriously question why you might have ever thought that would be in some way a good idea.

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31-03-2015, 08:05 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 05:58 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 04:38 PM)ivaneus Wrote:  Hello sharshabil. I didn't get a response to my last comment. May I ask if this is still open for discussion? If yes, may i know if you still maintain that atheists have a higher suicide rate?

actually you convinced me, no sarcasm here: i thought of it and found that it's been a claim of weak basis.

Oh cool. Smile thanks for the response.


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31-03-2015, 08:21 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(31-03-2015 03:48 PM)sharshabil Wrote:  
(31-03-2015 03:05 PM)Dom Wrote:  That sounds like an interesting story. So how did you become atheist?

initially i used to think about "blasphemy" subjects that weren't acceptable as topics of discussion, like what if i pissed on the quran or launched a rocket at the ka'ba (the black building muslims walk around as pilgrimage). i used to hear stories about gawd fuckin up complete societies just for their lack of disbelief in him or sexual choices (like noah), and thought that disrespecting the quran is much more of a sin and deserves a more hostile response, but nothing happened. also there are stories in the quran about birds carrying stones on fire killing the shit out of people who were going to destroy the ka'ba, and it felt illogical that a rocket launched at it wouldn't get it to shreds on the ground. these were just as a beginning when i were very young 6 or 7 i guess, i remember also sitting on the fence and saying fuck god and nothing would happen. later on as i grew, i started to think about points of view, why does the quran carry so much against the jews, why christians wouldn't convert to islam, jews to christians, muslims to buddhists, it all backed up the idea that we didn't choose this, our societies did. also then to ethics about why does there need to be someone better than us (no, islam is not like christianity, you're not taught that god is your lover, rather someone who'll fry the shit out of you for listening to songs), naturally complete while we are born sinnable and we'll have to suffer the consequences, why so many things are allowed in christianity but banned in islam, like pork etc even though they're harmless. i can go on with this for ages, but in short, it's the same set of questions that logical reasoning would get a brain to consider once you let it function. one incident in particular had much effect on me: remember when some iraqi guy threw a shoe at the american president in a press conference? on some channel, they were showing interviews with random people from the streets asking them about their opinions about what happened. as someone growing up in a muslim society, where usa is "the greatest devil", i were applauding people who were saying that the iraqi journalist is a hero, but then someone said "the journalist deserved it, that's what you get when you insult a country's president" i got mad and told my mom that they should get this guy killed, but she objected, she said if i disagree with his views, it doesn't give me the right to disrespect him, these words got stuck in my mind and appealed to me to be true, then i started seeing that muslims all around were doing the very exact opposite of that, hate and disrespect for anyone who disagrees with their beliefs or views.

Thank you, it is a very interesting story. I know very little about islam, and I don't want to invest the time to read the quran. So I always appreciate hearing from atheists who grew up with islam.

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