Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
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17-08-2014, 05:50 PM (This post was last modified: 17-08-2014 05:53 PM by WindyCityJazz.)
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(17-08-2014 04:30 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(17-08-2014 04:27 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  I don't need to think of myself as being special in the scheme of the universe in order for me to live a happy life.

God says you are made in His image so when you debase yourself to something lesser that is not a happy life but a life of extinction which is a lie because even you will not cease to exist. You are going to Hell.

That's nice. I'm not worried about eternal suffering for not believing in your god any more than you are worried about suffering eternally for not worshiping some deity other than the one you were indoctrinated to worship. The fact that you were indoctrinated to believe in it doesn't make it true, just as the fact billions are indoctrinated to believe in Islam doesn't make their religion any more credible.

BTW I like how you skipped over the second half of my post that address your argument:

(17-08-2014 04:27 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  The thought that somebody who is a heartless fuck who treats people like crap will be rewarded when he dies because he believes in the "right" invisible man in the sky, while some generous, caring person will be punished because they were worshiping the "wrong" invisible being in the sky, is a concept that I find horrible.

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17-08-2014, 05:53 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
hbl, I read through some of this and several of your other threads.
I have to ask. Do you really believe all the stuff you say?
I mean, you're just trying to be provocative and stir things up, right?
The only way someone could really believe all this is if they never thought at all.
Just blindly followed something they read or were told without question.

So, which are you?
An ignorant, unthinking robot, or a 13 year old kid that gets off on being a troll.
There really are no other explanations for you.
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17-08-2014, 06:03 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
fucking seriously HBL?!

Are you fucking kidding me? After the 150+ page argument with your dumbass and that other one that is over 10 pages. Now you want to start another long drawn out argument of you just repeating the same crap over again?

Geez boy! Head over to the video game or music forum and talk about something fucking fun already.


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17-08-2014, 06:12 PM (This post was last modified: 17-08-2014 06:41 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(17-08-2014 02:57 PM)hbl Wrote:  In 2004, the American Journal of Psychiatry reported the following:

“Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article....eid=177228

According to the leading science journal Nature a recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal god. Atheists know all about science.

Also. atheists know more about religion than most theists.

U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey
“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life. Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons perform better than other groups on the survey even after controlling for differing levels of education. Jews and atheists/agnostics stand out for their knowledge of other world religions, including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism. Atheists/agnostics and Jews also do particularly well on questions about the role of religion in public life, including a question about what the U.S. Constitution says about religion.”

Intelligence and Religion
#1 - National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of white American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious beliefs. The results were published in the scientific journal Intelligence, demonstrated that Atheists scored an average of 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions.
#2 - Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. Using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 IQ points higher than non atheists. Lynn said, "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population.
#3- Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God."
#4 - A study published in Social Psychology Quarterly in March 2010 also stated that "atheism correlates with higher intelligence".
#5 - The more religious you are, the less likely you are to be intelligent, a new scientific study has found. According to researchers, Christians - particularly fundamentalists who believe the Bible is God's word - have a lower IQ than those who are less religious. A possible reason behind the finding was a tendency for more intelligent people to challenge religious claims, said one of the researchers, New Zealand psychologist Professor Tim Bates. "If you believe in religion, you haven't really questioned things," he said. "Brighter people were less likely to feel that religion plays a dominant role in their life."

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17-08-2014, 06:13 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
I think I have the answer to this if it is true. I think that atheists are people who are more prone to use reason as a means of knowledge and when they look around and see that so many people are so irrational, not just the religious but others as well, they can start to lose hope in the future. If I had to be around people like hbl all the time I would definitely lose my mind in short order.

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17-08-2014, 06:14 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(17-08-2014 04:16 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(17-08-2014 04:15 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Why is it so hard for you to imagine anything existing without a creator

You're not understanding the proof. That which is uncreated has no cause. It's uncreated.

And that explains precisely nothing.

I can just as logically say that the universe is uncreated.

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17-08-2014, 06:39 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
Op, just hire a male prostitute and get this shit out of your system.
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17-08-2014, 06:52 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
HBL,

You obviously are not here for discussion, you are not here to spread hope. You seem to come here just to piss people off. Maybe to make yourself feel better? Is this what "Jesus would do"? Don't you understand that people like you turn more people away from god? And you think you would be rewarded for that? The bible also says that only god through the holy ghost can change someone's heart. So what is it you think you are doing? God's work?

Even if suicide is higher among atheist, that doesn't prove or disprove god. If anything, if you are a christian, that would debunk the bible and god, because he obviously hasn't changed your heart for the better. The reasons for suicide are as different as the people doing it. And if the rate is higher, that also means that some christians do it..if it is a numbers game, religious belief is on a downward trend. Does that mean in 20 years ( that would put you at around ...30?) you will say " more people don't believe in god, so they must be right" ?

I have many christian friends, and we like to discuss religion and still respect each others decision. If I were to have hope in a god, it would be because of people like them, not because of someone hurling insults. So , again, what is your agenda? Be a man (or woman) and stand up, state your case, if no one believes you, go about your business and know you tried something you thought was good. Unless your goal is just to get a kick, in which case you should be banned, not because of what you believe, but because this is a place of discussion, and you are ruining my Chi....
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17-08-2014, 07:07 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
HBL, something for you to consider about your christian friends...

74% of all prisoners in the US are christian, atheists? less then .07 %, where is your moral code again? lol


and some other interesting facts, guess who is closing in as the fastest growing group?

Christianity: 2 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million
Buddhism: 360 million
Chinese traditional religion: 225 million
primal-indigenous: 150 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 95 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 14 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 6 million
Jainism: 4 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 3 million
Tenrikyo: 2.4 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 700 thousand
Scientology: 600 thousand
Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

uhoh

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17-08-2014, 07:08 PM
RE: Why Do Atheists Have the Highest Suicide Rates?
(17-08-2014 06:52 PM)Dirtnapper324 Wrote:  that also means that some christians do it..

The surest way to Hell is suicide so there are no Christians who would commit suicide since we in Christ are once saved always saved and "shall never perish" (John 10.28). The Holy Spirit in God's elect restrains any actions such as this.

Obviously you don't know what a Christian is, because a Christian loves you and don't want you to perish, so in giving the gospel of salvation to you we will not be silent about the consequence of Hell for rejecting God's saving grace, love and mercy by what Jesus did on the cross for you.

The reason you are going to Hell is because you reject this love in God's children that He offers to you and that I offer you.
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