Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
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29-04-2017, 09:24 PM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
Regarding western countries this is an American phenomenon.
In the rest of the west, you know, the non-fucked up countries, Christians and Atheists get a long just fine.
In my experience anyway, Canada might be a tad different, being so close to the cancer that is the States and all.

Regarding the question: Because they're theists... they're idiots.
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30-04-2017, 12:52 AM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
(29-04-2017 05:39 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(29-04-2017 03:48 PM)treefireguy Wrote:  I think it bothers them because some religious folks put so much work into religion. Time, money, effort, fake smiles, etc. And then they see us, the happy heathens going through life with literally zero use for any and all that "Religious stuff". So that resentment leads to jealousy. And jealousy leads to hate. Then hate leads to the dark side. Or something like that.
Yes, that's a valid point; there is an element of sour grapes in there. One reaction to the notion of simply rejecting the axioms and baseless assertions of religious faith is that it's cheating; it's not a level playing field if everyone isn't burdened with the same obligations and assumptions. Also, there's the sting of the inherent implication that you're a chump if you aren't skeptical.

People (and not just theists) have the same sort of visceral reaction to suicides; it's the coward's way out. The suicide is done with the travails of the living, leaving the still-living holding the bag as it were. Of course there's an element of truth with respect to their immediate family and others who were counting / dependent on them, but even total strangers take umbrage as if it's personal, and totally discount the pain that motivates the act, as if it didn't exist or doesn't matter. And many have the same reaction even to rational suicide, or deny that there is such a thing.

Both apostasy and suicide also violate a doctrine of "unthinkableness" that is felt to be a direct assault on society, as if it's all based on a shared fiction similar to a child cowering under a blanket in the belief that it will protect them from the monster under the bed. The adult that tells them there's no monster, who sleeps uncovered and with one food dangling over the edge with no anxiety at all -- that is an affront to what occupies so much of their awareness and defines so much of their reality.

They also have to be careful to make sure suicide "doesn't count" when getting to the supposed amazing afterlife. They can't have people cheating their way there either, although it's happened many times regardless.

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30-04-2017, 12:57 AM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
(30-04-2017 12:52 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  
(29-04-2017 05:39 PM)mordant Wrote:  Yes, that's a valid point; there is an element of sour grapes in there. One reaction to the notion of simply rejecting the axioms and baseless assertions of religious faith is that it's cheating; it's not a level playing field if everyone isn't burdened with the same obligations and assumptions. Also, there's the sting of the inherent implication that you're a chump if you aren't skeptical.

People (and not just theists) have the same sort of visceral reaction to suicides; it's the coward's way out. The suicide is done with the travails of the living, leaving the still-living holding the bag as it were. Of course there's an element of truth with respect to their immediate family and others who were counting / dependent on them, but even total strangers take umbrage as if it's personal, and totally discount the pain that motivates the act, as if it didn't exist or doesn't matter. And many have the same reaction even to rational suicide, or deny that there is such a thing.

Both apostasy and suicide also violate a doctrine of "unthinkableness" that is felt to be a direct assault on society, as if it's all based on a shared fiction similar to a child cowering under a blanket in the belief that it will protect them from the monster under the bed. The adult that tells them there's no monster, who sleeps uncovered and with one food dangling over the edge with no anxiety at all -- that is an affront to what occupies so much of their awareness and defines so much of their reality.

They also have to be careful to make sure suicide "doesn't count" when getting to the supposed amazing afterlife. They can't have people cheating their way there either, although it's happened many times regardless.

They also need a convenient answer to the question of "well why don't you just kill yourself if the afterlife is so good?"
They're all too dense to come up with an answer to that question with any weight or substance. So instead they have their little fail safe.
Further examples of why theists are moronic parasites.
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30-04-2017, 12:54 PM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
Maybe someone already mentioned this but, simply hearing that someone is an atheist makes Christians think a bout death.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news...180955370/


You know... for "saved" folk, they sure are terrified about dying lol

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30-04-2017, 01:36 PM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
(30-04-2017 12:54 PM)JesseB Wrote:  You know... for "saved" folk, they sure are terrified about dying lol

That probably makes sense. When an atheist thinks about death there's usually some worry about the process of dying being painful but that's it. For a xian there's always the nagging thought that they slipped up somewhere and will be facing eternal torment.

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30-04-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
Superficially, I think many are embarrassed that they've been duped. That can cause bitterness & resentments and even cause many to cling more tightly to their illusions.

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30-04-2017, 01:56 PM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
(30-04-2017 01:36 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(30-04-2017 12:54 PM)JesseB Wrote:  You know... for "saved" folk, they sure are terrified about dying lol

That probably makes sense. When an atheist thinks about death there's usually some worry about the process of dying being painful but that's it. For a xian there's always the nagging thought that they slipped up somewhere and will be facing eternal torment.
There doesn't even have to be a fear of "slipping up somewhere". All that is necessary is (1) don't actually substantively deal with the fact of your own mortality (2) accept a prefabricated rationale / deflection for it (3) be confronted with someone who doesn't use your prefabricated rationale and therefore (4) reminded that you haven't actually dealt with the fact of your own mortality.

Even if you're completely confident that you're heaven-bound, there is still the fact that you have simply kicked the can down the road rather than actually accepting your mortality. That can-kicking only works to the extent you refrain from thinking about it. It also invalidates all your religiously-mediated immortality projects that you continue to engage in because (did I mention it?) you haven't actually dealt with the fact of your own mortality.

It's very similar to accepting authoritarian moral codes that say religion is sourced in and authenticated by god. Doing this spares you the trouble of struggling with inconvenient, difficult moral conundrums that invariably arise. Just look it up in the rulebook, and done. And then along comes someone who is kind and welcoming to, say, gays, rather then unkind and otherizing, suspicious or hateful -- because they don't just look it up in your particular rulebook and/or don't interpret it like you do, it reminds you that you haven't actually sorted out the moral question of how to treat people who are gay, and whether the, you know, RIGHT thing to do would be something that might challenge your preconceptions or make you temporarily uncomfortable or require you to change your thinking in some way.

Religion is, in so many ways, a short cut to bypass thinking, moral stances, and even reality itself, particularly the less than flattering and pleasant bits of reality.
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01-05-2017, 08:22 AM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
(30-04-2017 12:57 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(30-04-2017 12:52 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  They also have to be careful to make sure suicide "doesn't count" when getting to the supposed amazing afterlife. They can't have people cheating their way there either, although it's happened many times regardless.

They also need a convenient answer to the question of "well why don't you just kill yourself if the afterlife is so good?"
They're all too dense to come up with an answer to that question with any weight or substance. So instead they have their little fail safe.
Further examples of why theists are moronic parasites.

That's why they came up with "suicide is a sin".
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01-05-2017, 08:31 AM
RE: Why Do Christians Fear Atheist?
Because to them atheism is the rejection of not only God but morality, because God is supposedly the source of morality. Not only that but they can't imagine how they could find meaning in a Universe without a God. For them, God is the only roadmap they have. If there's no God, they have no roadmap.

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01-05-2017, 09:35 AM
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(01-05-2017 08:31 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  Because to them atheism is the rejection of not only God but morality, because God is supposedly the source of morality. Not only that but they can't imagine how they could find meaning in a Universe without a God. For them, God is the only roadmap they have. If there's no God, they have no roadmap.
It is literally a failure of imagination, because they have been so conditioned to think that there is just no way to find meaning without god (the alleged Source of all meaning). It's not like they've actually considered where their meaning actually comes from, or how atheists for example derive meaning. They just assume our lives are meaningless by definition, and that theirs are meaningful by definition. The irony of it all is that they derive durable and satisfying meaning exactly like we unbelievers do, they just have a translation layer over the top of it that claims it comes from god or flows organically from being "righteous" or whatever.

When I deconverted, NOTHING changed except that it was EASIER to derive meaning since it wasn't filtered through a bunch of artificial notions or misleading terminology or limited by certain prohibitions. In addition, my expectations became MUCH more realistic, and cognitive dissonance and frustration decreased so that I could be less rigid and more adaptable and resilient. I no longer expected special favors from god in exchange for being extra good, so when bad things happened to me (as they do to all of us) I did not take it personally or experience it as a betrayal or disappointed expectation.

The other irony, then, is that believers are actually much more burdened and fraught with angst because they not only have to take life as it comes, but as it is "supposed" to come. Sure, going by rote according to some interpretation of a ruleset or the edicts of some authority figures, makes life temporarily easier. But after awhile it makes it permanently harder. You pay for the certitude and simplicity with intellectual suicide and the suborning of your actual feelings and needs to the ideology.
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