Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
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11-07-2014, 07:55 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2014 08:03 AM by Luminon.)
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 07:32 AM)Chas Wrote:  Your knowledge of philosophy and philosophers is woefully inadequate.

Here's an atheist philosopher of world-class repute.
Well, I'm not a historian of philosophy and I found most of the modern esteemed philosophers full of crap. Even the rather good ones like Kant or old Socrates face pretty serious criticism. And the critical philosophers go chasing shadows of culture, not knowing what culture is. As for your opinion, you don't understand most of what I say, you are a science specialist. Your idea of knowing philosophy is knowing who was who.
Frankly, the world's ability to recognize good philosophers sucks. The culture is so full of crap, that it can only approve of crappy philosophers. Any really good philosophers will be fiercely attacked or forgotten and for sure they will not be on TV or in any high position.

I have a somewhat good opinion of him, I agree with the things he positively says. My problem is, he doesn't say or do all that much. He does a good job attacking some superfluous categories like free will or mind/body dichotomy, but not as radically as I'd like to see. His philosophy is hardly more than an adjunct to science, it's not holistic, cosmological, social or moral.
I'd say that is pretty typical for government-sponsored academical philosophy, it never rocks the boat and it's quite useless for daily life, moral conduct, happiness and wealth. The most important area of daily life (teoria and praxis) was given over to shitty media and Oprah. Where are the times when philosophers attacked the legitimity of governments and lived of voluntary donations?

As usual, he's one of these western philosophers who don't do contemplative practices and do all their cogitation under normal alpha or beta brain waves. He's like a scientist with LHC who only powers it on 220 volts.
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11-07-2014, 07:58 AM
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
Most is plural. It's "most atheists".
Is this some sort of indication of you general education level ?

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11-07-2014, 08:04 AM
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 07:55 AM)Luminon Wrote:  As for your opinion, you don't understand most of what I say, you are a science specialist. Your idea of knowing philosophy is knowing who was who.

Oh, Luminon.

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11-07-2014, 08:06 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2014 08:10 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
"Frankly, in my experience I have never once met a philosopher among atheists. I believe atheism is what we get when we apply philosophy (logic) to religion, but almost all atheists (or any other kind of people) are woefully unable to apply philosophy to anything else but their pet peeve."

"My training at philosophy is amateurish, but vigorous and I'm very dissatisfied by what people here can't do as philosophers. Empirical research is their definition of truth. Any rational critical evaluations they do, are pretty trivial, unless of course it's against religion. But if they could do to politics what they do to religion, there would be no politics left. (which is a good thing in my book) There's a lot more bullshit and evil in the world besides religion and the job of philosophy is fighting evil, not just religion."


If you're "DISsatisfied with what people here CAN'T do" (a double negative), then you ARE satisfied with what they CAN do, genius.

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11-07-2014, 08:16 AM
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 07:55 AM)Luminon Wrote:  Well, I'm not a historian of philosophy

But you play one on TV, right ?

(11-07-2014 07:55 AM)Luminon Wrote:  As for your opinion, you don't understand most of what I say, you are a science specialist.....frankly, the world's ability to recognize good philosophers sucks.

If you don't say so yourself. But of course YOUR abilities FAR exceed others, oh erudite master.

I never really realized exactly HOW special he really is. Weeping

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11-07-2014, 12:38 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2014 12:53 PM by Luminon.)
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 08:06 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If you're "DISsatisfied with what people here CAN'T do" (a double negative), then you ARE satisfied with what they CAN do, genius.
That's my Engrish. My native tongue is more negative-friendly and plural-vague. And sometimes it seeps in. That part was a bit strange to me, but I thought someone will be kind enough to correct me.

(11-07-2014 08:16 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  If you don't say so yourself. But of course YOUR abilities FAR exceed others, oh erudite master.
Unfortunately, it looks like that!
Did you ever noticed how black plague isn't around anymore, nor too many wolves and bears? This pesky going to sleep at sundown got much better. And there's a lot less walking nowadays.
But for some mysterious reason, there's still a lot of theft, murder, wars, assault, poverty and hate. It's really weird, it looks like our civilization is dragging one foot behind in medieval ages and all the scientists of today and all the philosophers of 19th century couldn't do shit about that.

Now, imagine that you, wise and scientific guy would find yourself in medieval ages. You could do wonders for the local denizens with stuff like germ theory, gunpowder recipe, crop rotation, scientific method, atheism...
Let's say I have my own medieval ages, germ theory and atheism for today. It's not really that hard, because it's not me who is a genius, it the culture that is retarded. I know genius ideas (or rather, long overdue normal ideas) when I see them, because I don't go along with the retarded culture. Attending proper government schools without self-education on the side is like running on special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Don't think I get off on being special. I'd gladly go for a bit less special and a bit more functional. I know how it feels like to be the best, for a while I was the best in my niche in freeware game development. It feels pretty lonely. But I'd be still lonely if I was pretending that I don't know things that I know. Realistic never worked for me, I only got forward in my life by going with the most radical, difficult and ambitious ideas, even if sometimes they scare me shitless and turn my life upside down.
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11-07-2014, 01:07 PM
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 12:38 PM)Luminon Wrote:  But for some mysterious reason, there's still a lot of theft, murder, wars, assault, poverty and hate.

Oh, you mean both less than ever before and less all the time?

Save us from the horrors of modern society.

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11-07-2014, 01:54 PM
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 01:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-07-2014 12:38 PM)Luminon Wrote:  But for some mysterious reason, there's still a lot of theft, murder, wars, assault, poverty and hate.

Oh, you mean both less than ever before and less all the time?

Save us from the horrors of modern society.

Dodgy

Fucking "Laboratory Scientist" there you go trying to bring facts and reality in, when clearly Lumy's subjective feels are a far better guide.

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11-07-2014, 02:09 PM
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(11-07-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(11-07-2014 01:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Oh, you mean both less than ever before and less all the time?

Save us from the horrors of modern society.

Dodgy

Fucking "Laboratory Scientist" there you go trying to bring facts and reality in, when clearly Lumy's subjective feels are a far better guide.

Well, as we all know, when facts and feels disagree, it's the facts that have to go.

And as previously established, reality's my disagreement is obviously born of a combination of my repressive and abusive childhood (the horrors of a loving family in an affluent Canadian suburb, don't you know) and my clear bias towards parroting the nefarious status quo of the vast, dastardly, evil shadowy monolithic nefarious totalitarian evil Nazi liberal reptiloid government.

Shit, I'm not supposed to talk about that last one...

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11-07-2014, 02:39 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2014 02:55 PM by Luminon.)
RE: Why Do Most Atheist Let Religion Define Metaphysical Questions?
(11-07-2014 01:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-07-2014 12:38 PM)Luminon Wrote:  But for some mysterious reason, there's still a lot of theft, murder, wars, assault, poverty and hate.

Oh, you mean both less than ever before and less all the time?

Save us from the horrors of modern society.

Dodgy
Modern society didn't end its horrors, it only managed to export them to politically and economically weaker areas and narcotize the domestic voters with Huxleyan pleasures under Orwellian surveillance, thanks to better science. Tax cattle is more productive when not too stressed, but we all live in tax farms called states.

(11-07-2014 01:54 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Fucking "Laboratory Scientist" there you go trying to bring facts and reality in, when clearly Lumy's subjective feels are a far better guide.
When it comes to the everyday social world, subjective feels are THE facts and reality. That is why I am not supposed to keep them. If we lived in medieval ages, you would tell me to obey the black coat priests and think nothing extra beyond what they positively tell me to think. Today it's white coats, but conformity is the same, learn what they say (which I pretty much agree), but not beyond that. By the way, as for the reptilian overlords - I just realized that might be a subconscious metaphor for regular old psychopaths. Psychopaths with overly active reptile brain who smile and make their way into the violent money-heaping monopoly called the government.

And our friend here is concerned why people aren't into metaphysics. Well, how could they be, if they even aren't allowed to think about daily life, keeping their money safe from tax collectors and not being ruled by people they didn't vote for? Thoughts and feels can't flow very well if they're dammed right at the start.
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