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14-12-2012, 05:46 AM
RE: Why Gay Marriage Should be Illegal
Ok....
First I read the title, and was like "BS!! I gotta see who's saying something stupid like that"
Then I read the OP and was like "BS!! I must start raging now"
Then I read the first 3 pages of answers and calmed down because people said everything I wanted to say, and probably more because there are 18 pages by now.

So I am not going to rage.
There is no good reason that gay marriage should be illegal and that is all I have to say.

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14-12-2012, 07:27 AM
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(14-12-2012 03:37 AM)Logisch Wrote:  FZUMedia: I actually read all (thus far) 18 pages of this thread. After watching your video you posted and going through a few other videos of yours, it would seem to me that you're serious and seem sincere in your posts. I see that you mention you are autistic - I think it may be, perhaps, difficult for others to tell when you're being serious or not. However, the voice inflection in your video you posted vs the others are similar, the other videos you posted also appear to be things you enjoy. I can see from your other videos that you are quite analytically logical (I play SC2 as well, and seeing you break down reasons/number/timing/patterns/etc in real time is not something all people can do like that. Your OS videos are interesting as well and you're good at explaining things, and your mathematical real time multitasking is impressive) which is a great thing.

While part of me wants to assume you may be putting up a ruse, part of me also believes you are being sincere.

Keep in mind that many people here will not appreciate an explanation without a citation. Myself being one of them. If someone says: "I believe this is credible because explanation x is true." one should be able to explain how x is true, or perhaps how you came to that conclusion. If you go back and read many of these posts, you will note that many people say that you make many assumptions. While some of the things you say seem like you are speaking from a point of reference (ie: You found the info somewhere) it would be in good interest to cite those references, or explain where or why you feel the points are relevant. Otherwise, something that may seem a valid point to you may hold little credibility to others.

I'm only saying this because it seems perhaps the social implications here may not be fully understood when it comes to explaining things to people, especially skeptics.

As a skeptic, I want some sort of evidence, citation, proof or explanation that makes some sort of rational or logical sense. If someone simply tells me something, but has nothing to back it up, or at least tell me why, it is easily dismissed. Many people do this subconsciously, skeptics will do it without hesitation. You could call it a "self defense mechanism from nonsense" - even if the individual doesn't speak nonsense, they need to have a reason why they feel it is otherwise.

Again, this is just an observation from outside perspective - take it as you will. But I felt in an 18 page thread that seems to be repeating patterns and behaviors, perhaps if you are truly sincere about trying to make points, perhaps you would be open to some critique.

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Also: Still waiting for citations on many of your points. I still don't feel the points made here hold ground, still see no reason banning gay marriage would make any sense. Again, the point of my post is more for an outside perspective for you (since you see analytical) - do not mistake it for me agreeing with you.
I tend only to listen to studies relating to neuroscience/psychology if there is a consensus - since there are so many contradictory studies otherwise, I could find a study that showed gay people to be inferior parents and vice versa. From a logical standpoint, taking a baby the mother is obviously going to be harmful to the child- you don't need conclusive evidence to prove that, since it is all in the baby's reaction and from what we know of biological relationships of humans.

Like, people didn't need to wait till conclusive evidence came out to prove slavery was wrong and harmful, it's wrong by definition. Same with taking a baby from a mother.
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14-12-2012, 08:05 AM
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Er... you're fucking nuts man.

Look, I got no problem with you holding whatever weird-ass opinions you got. But your posting here seems to indicate you would like to influence policy with your weird-ass notions. So damn well back them up or GTFO. In fact GTFO, because all this whining about how you don't need to provide evidence and it's 'obvious' is pure bullshit, and the only reason you do it is because you *can't* provide the evidence.
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14-12-2012, 08:28 AM
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(14-12-2012 07:27 AM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 03:37 AM)Logisch Wrote:  FZUMedia: I actually read all (thus far) 18 pages of this thread. After watching your video you posted and going through a few other videos of yours, it would seem to me that you're serious and seem sincere in your posts. I see that you mention you are autistic - I think it may be, perhaps, difficult for others to tell when you're being serious or not. However, the voice inflection in your video you posted vs the others are similar, the other videos you posted also appear to be things you enjoy. I can see from your other videos that you are quite analytically logical (I play SC2 as well, and seeing you break down reasons/number/timing/patterns/etc in real time is not something all people can do like that. Your OS videos are interesting as well and you're good at explaining things, and your mathematical real time multitasking is impressive) which is a great thing.

While part of me wants to assume you may be putting up a ruse, part of me also believes you are being sincere.

Keep in mind that many people here will not appreciate an explanation without a citation. Myself being one of them. If someone says: "I believe this is credible because explanation x is true." one should be able to explain how x is true, or perhaps how you came to that conclusion. If you go back and read many of these posts, you will note that many people say that you make many assumptions. While some of the things you say seem like you are speaking from a point of reference (ie: You found the info somewhere) it would be in good interest to cite those references, or explain where or why you feel the points are relevant. Otherwise, something that may seem a valid point to you may hold little credibility to others.

I'm only saying this because it seems perhaps the social implications here may not be fully understood when it comes to explaining things to people, especially skeptics.

As a skeptic, I want some sort of evidence, citation, proof or explanation that makes some sort of rational or logical sense. If someone simply tells me something, but has nothing to back it up, or at least tell me why, it is easily dismissed. Many people do this subconsciously, skeptics will do it without hesitation. You could call it a "self defense mechanism from nonsense" - even if the individual doesn't speak nonsense, they need to have a reason why they feel it is otherwise.

Again, this is just an observation from outside perspective - take it as you will. But I felt in an 18 page thread that seems to be repeating patterns and behaviors, perhaps if you are truly sincere about trying to make points, perhaps you would be open to some critique.

PS: SC2 is a fun game Wink

Also: Still waiting for citations on many of your points. I still don't feel the points made here hold ground, still see no reason banning gay marriage would make any sense. Again, the point of my post is more for an outside perspective for you (since you see analytical) - do not mistake it for me agreeing with you.
I tend only to listen to studies relating to neuroscience/psychology if there is a consensus - since there are so many contradictory studies otherwise, I could find a study that showed gay people to be inferior parents and vice versa. From a logical standpoint, taking a baby the mother is obviously going to be harmful to the child- you don't need conclusive evidence to prove that, since it is all in the baby's reaction and from what we know of biological relationships of humans.

Like, people didn't need to wait till conclusive evidence came out to prove slavery was wrong and harmful, it's wrong by definition. Same with taking a baby from a mother.
If you're issue was with taking a baby from the mother.. your argument would be against adoption and surrogate mothers. Drag it to the source, but that isn't your argument, yet you use it as if it's a point in your favor. It's just a happenstance of the situation which doesn't matter. It's not as if willing mothers are having a baby taken from them to be given to a gay couple.

The only equal cases of judging the raising of a child of gay marriage would be with other cases where the child has to be taken away from the mother. You even admit there seems to be no disadvantaged known yet assert it's an issue. There are thousands of children raised by gay couples currently which do not seem to be worse off from those adopted by straight couples.

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14-12-2012, 08:33 AM
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(14-12-2012 08:28 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 07:27 AM)FZUMedia Wrote:  I tend only to listen to studies relating to neuroscience/psychology if there is a consensus - since there are so many contradictory studies otherwise, I could find a study that showed gay people to be inferior parents and vice versa. From a logical standpoint, taking a baby the mother is obviously going to be harmful to the child- you don't need conclusive evidence to prove that, since it is all in the baby's reaction and from what we know of biological relationships of humans.

Like, people didn't need to wait till conclusive evidence came out to prove slavery was wrong and harmful, it's wrong by definition. Same with taking a baby from a mother.
If you're issue was with taking a baby from the mother.. your argument would be against adoption and surrogate mothers. Drag it to the source, but that isn't your argument, yet you use it as if it's a point in your favor. It's just a happenstance of the situation which doesn't matter. It's not as if willing mothers are having a baby taken from them to be given to a gay couple.

The only equal cases of judging the raising of a child of gay marriage would be with other cases where the child has to be taken away from the mother. You even admit there seems to be no disadvantaged known yet assert it's an issue. There are thousands of children raised by gay couples currently which do not seem to be worse off from those adopted by straight couples.
It's not about what the mother wants, it's what the baby wants.

(I am in full support of gay couples adopting, but not surrogate.)
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14-12-2012, 09:02 AM
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(13-12-2012 05:23 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 04:46 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Hay, FZUMedia, if you are going to negatively rep me purely out of vengeance, at least have the fucking balls to say so. Drinking Beverage
Well, no- I like myself, so if you dislike me, then I dislike you- Plus it deters others from doing so.
Well, yes- grow some balls and say so or don't rep anybody at all. And, in addition, it clearly does not deter anyone from doing so. Drinking Beverage

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14-12-2012, 09:19 AM
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(14-12-2012 08:33 AM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 08:28 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  If you're issue was with taking a baby from the mother.. your argument would be against adoption and surrogate mothers. Drag it to the source, but that isn't your argument, yet you use it as if it's a point in your favor. It's just a happenstance of the situation which doesn't matter. It's not as if willing mothers are having a baby taken from them to be given to a gay couple.

The only equal cases of judging the raising of a child of gay marriage would be with other cases where the child has to be taken away from the mother. You even admit there seems to be no disadvantaged known yet assert it's an issue. There are thousands of children raised by gay couples currently which do not seem to be worse off from those adopted by straight couples.
It's not about what the mother wants, it's what the baby wants.

(I am in full support of gay couples adopting, but not surrogate.)
Exactly how is a human incubator wrong?

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14-12-2012, 09:22 AM
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(14-12-2012 09:19 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 08:33 AM)FZUMedia Wrote:  It's not about what the mother wants, it's what the baby wants.

(I am in full support of gay couples adopting, but not surrogate.)
Exactly how is a human incubator wrong?

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What is that? I googled it and saw pictures of deformed people.
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14-12-2012, 09:44 AM
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(14-12-2012 09:22 AM)FZUMedia Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 09:19 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Exactly how is a human incubator wrong?

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What is that? I googled it and saw pictures of deformed people.

...a surrogate?

You do KNOW what a surrogate is, right?

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14-12-2012, 10:15 AM
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Morning FUZBALL.

When I previously provided a few helpful suggestions referring to your statement about violence, you produced a photo and advised that your uber-concrete "statistic" was proved within this image.
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However.... not only does this photo state nothing about violence, it actually refers to neglect being the culprit of this child's diminished brain. Upon further investigation this photo is in fact deliberately misleading and completely erroneous. It is the brain scan of a child with untreated multiple sclerosis - this is the neglect referred to in the photo.

So, now you are not only the smartest autistic person you know, you are also a liar. Pretty certain liar trumps whatever you feel a need to pass yourself off as.

Stop lying to yourself and everyone else, get your shit together, and LEARN.

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