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08-10-2014, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 08-10-2014 01:22 PM by Ace.)
RE: Why Genocide is an Atheist's Game
but why would we ? it would use so much resources that could've been employed in other things which resulted in better standards of living, poverty alleviation etc etc Drinking Beverage

besides I'm more in favor of locking them in a room filled with statements that are against their position
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08-10-2014, 01:26 PM
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(08-10-2014 12:59 PM)CiderThinker Wrote:  
Quote:So, recent history has seen ruthless leaders who, being atheist, applied their superior knowledge to become leaders, leaders to a people who distrust anyone religious ever attaining political leadership, with the result that some of these atheist bastards armed with the best killing tools ever invented were able to kill by the millions.
Examples?

What, you don't remember how Stalin had to overcome voter bias against his orthodox seminary childhood to get elected?

Not that his methods once in power were any different from those of Ashurbanipal and Nabopolassar...

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08-10-2014, 01:30 PM
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(08-10-2014 12:00 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A favorite claim of the religious is that atheism is responsible for the greatest acts of genocide ever perpetrated and the funny thing is, they're right.
Most of those same people also believe that their gawd once killed every living thing on earth except for a certain family and selected animals. But that was apparently ok because it was gawd and he can taketh what he giveth. Rolleyes

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08-10-2014, 01:57 PM
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(08-10-2014 12:00 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A favorite claim of the religious is that atheism is responsible for the greatest acts of genocide ever perpetrated and the funny thing is, they're right. But they're right for reasons that oppose them, not for the reasons they think.

Genocide on a truly horrific scale requires something only recently gotten into human hands: mechanized killing. Hence, the greatest genocides numerically are only recent events, and while high proportional genocides reach back centuries, raw numbers of gross slaughter only became possible with automatic gunnery, high yield bombs and other deadly products of advanced technology applied by less advanced minds.

Side by side with improvements to the technology of mass death is another very profound social shift: the marginalization of religion in political leadership. The human race may be stupid on many fronts, but it's smarter than we think in how it chooses to be led, and the great majority of humankind keeps the fanatically religious away from direct control of the levers of power. Most governments today are operated secularly, and religion may get lip service, but not buttons to push. That's even true here in the United States. Much as no atheist could ever get elected to public office, neither could a Pat Robertson, or a Billy Graham, or any other massively popular evangelist. The evangelists are way too extreme for the mainstream public to stomach in high political station. How much of the human race pays serious attention to the Vatican? The Pope seems today to be trying to figure out how to get the papacy to fit the real world, not the other way around.

Atheism is closely correlated with knowledge of how the world really works, and knowledge of how the world really works makes one able to make more effective decisions, and guide one's own destiny. The atheist who aspires to power and wields knowledge ruthlessly will much more likely realize his ambition than anyone else less knowledgeable or less driven.

So, recent history has seen ruthless leaders who, being atheist, applied their superior knowledge to become leaders, leaders to a people who distrust anyone religious ever attaining political leadership, with the result that some of these atheist bastards armed with the best killing tools ever invented were able to kill by the millions.

So, yes, atheists committed the worst genocides. And their atheism was a factor, but not the driving factor. The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes.

Atheists did them because as political leaders they could.

Religious leaders didn't do them because religious political leadership is increasingly impossible. There aren't any significant religious political leaders. Were religious political leadership still possible today, the history of genocide would be BLOODIER than it was, bloody as it was. The Middle East is the last bastion of actual religious political leadership, and the whole world has watched as that leadership made the Middle East the most inviting paradise created on earth - for corpses.

Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION. But before the anti-Bible, anti-theist comments pour in on my little formula,

I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush

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08-10-2014, 02:06 PM
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(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 12:00 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A favorite claim of the religious is that atheism is responsible for the greatest acts of genocide ever perpetrated and the funny thing is, they're right. But they're right for reasons that oppose them, not for the reasons they think.

Genocide on a truly horrific scale requires something only recently gotten into human hands: mechanized killing. Hence, the greatest genocides numerically are only recent events, and while high proportional genocides reach back centuries, raw numbers of gross slaughter only became possible with automatic gunnery, high yield bombs and other deadly products of advanced technology applied by less advanced minds.

Side by side with improvements to the technology of mass death is another very profound social shift: the marginalization of religion in political leadership. The human race may be stupid on many fronts, but it's smarter than we think in how it chooses to be led, and the great majority of humankind keeps the fanatically religious away from direct control of the levers of power. Most governments today are operated secularly, and religion may get lip service, but not buttons to push. That's even true here in the United States. Much as no atheist could ever get elected to public office, neither could a Pat Robertson, or a Billy Graham, or any other massively popular evangelist. The evangelists are way too extreme for the mainstream public to stomach in high political station. How much of the human race pays serious attention to the Vatican? The Pope seems today to be trying to figure out how to get the papacy to fit the real world, not the other way around.

Atheism is closely correlated with knowledge of how the world really works, and knowledge of how the world really works makes one able to make more effective decisions, and guide one's own destiny. The atheist who aspires to power and wields knowledge ruthlessly will much more likely realize his ambition than anyone else less knowledgeable or less driven.

So, recent history has seen ruthless leaders who, being atheist, applied their superior knowledge to become leaders, leaders to a people who distrust anyone religious ever attaining political leadership, with the result that some of these atheist bastards armed with the best killing tools ever invented were able to kill by the millions.

So, yes, atheists committed the worst genocides. And their atheism was a factor, but not the driving factor. The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes.

Atheists did them because as political leaders they could.

Religious leaders didn't do them because religious political leadership is increasingly impossible. There aren't any significant religious political leaders. Were religious political leadership still possible today, the history of genocide would be BLOODIER than it was, bloody as it was. The Middle East is the last bastion of actual religious political leadership, and the whole world has watched as that leadership made the Middle East the most inviting paradise created on earth - for corpses.

Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION. But before the anti-Bible, anti-theist comments pour in on my little formula,

I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush

Oh, fuck off, you disingenuous ass. It means no such thing, and either you know it means no such thing or you are really fucking stupid.

But my money is on you being dishonest.

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08-10-2014, 02:16 PM (This post was last modified: 08-10-2014 02:19 PM by DLJ.)
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(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ...
Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION.
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No argument from me. Sounds about right.

(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ...
I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush

The irony being that if Jesus existed and the Jesus-creation story is true...

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08-10-2014, 02:17 PM
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(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 12:00 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A favorite claim of the religious is that atheism is responsible for the greatest acts of genocide ever perpetrated and the funny thing is, they're right. But they're right for reasons that oppose them, not for the reasons they think.

Genocide on a truly horrific scale requires something only recently gotten into human hands: mechanized killing. Hence, the greatest genocides numerically are only recent events, and while high proportional genocides reach back centuries, raw numbers of gross slaughter only became possible with automatic gunnery, high yield bombs and other deadly products of advanced technology applied by less advanced minds.

Side by side with improvements to the technology of mass death is another very profound social shift: the marginalization of religion in political leadership. The human race may be stupid on many fronts, but it's smarter than we think in how it chooses to be led, and the great majority of humankind keeps the fanatically religious away from direct control of the levers of power. Most governments today are operated secularly, and religion may get lip service, but not buttons to push. That's even true here in the United States. Much as no atheist could ever get elected to public office, neither could a Pat Robertson, or a Billy Graham, or any other massively popular evangelist. The evangelists are way too extreme for the mainstream public to stomach in high political station. How much of the human race pays serious attention to the Vatican? The Pope seems today to be trying to figure out how to get the papacy to fit the real world, not the other way around.

Atheism is closely correlated with knowledge of how the world really works, and knowledge of how the world really works makes one able to make more effective decisions, and guide one's own destiny. The atheist who aspires to power and wields knowledge ruthlessly will much more likely realize his ambition than anyone else less knowledgeable or less driven.

So, recent history has seen ruthless leaders who, being atheist, applied their superior knowledge to become leaders, leaders to a people who distrust anyone religious ever attaining political leadership, with the result that some of these atheist bastards armed with the best killing tools ever invented were able to kill by the millions.

So, yes, atheists committed the worst genocides. And their atheism was a factor, but not the driving factor. The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes.

Atheists did them because as political leaders they could.

Religious leaders didn't do them because religious political leadership is increasingly impossible. There aren't any significant religious political leaders. Were religious political leadership still possible today, the history of genocide would be BLOODIER than it was, bloody as it was. The Middle East is the last bastion of actual religious political leadership, and the whole world has watched as that leadership made the Middle East the most inviting paradise created on earth - for corpses.

Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION. But before the anti-Bible, anti-theist comments pour in on my little formula,

I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush

Or it could be that you have negative rep and I tend to ignore what you say most of the time. Or that I've noticed several of your posts to be dull an un imaginative, such as that attempt at preaching, and find no need to validate it or even acknowledge it.
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08-10-2014, 02:52 PM
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(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 12:00 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  A favorite claim of the religious is that atheism is responsible for the greatest acts of genocide ever perpetrated and the funny thing is, they're right. But they're right for reasons that oppose them, not for the reasons they think.

Genocide on a truly horrific scale requires something only recently gotten into human hands: mechanized killing. Hence, the greatest genocides numerically are only recent events, and while high proportional genocides reach back centuries, raw numbers of gross slaughter only became possible with automatic gunnery, high yield bombs and other deadly products of advanced technology applied by less advanced minds.

Side by side with improvements to the technology of mass death is another very profound social shift: the marginalization of religion in political leadership. The human race may be stupid on many fronts, but it's smarter than we think in how it chooses to be led, and the great majority of humankind keeps the fanatically religious away from direct control of the levers of power. Most governments today are operated secularly, and religion may get lip service, but not buttons to push. That's even true here in the United States. Much as no atheist could ever get elected to public office, neither could a Pat Robertson, or a Billy Graham, or any other massively popular evangelist. The evangelists are way too extreme for the mainstream public to stomach in high political station. How much of the human race pays serious attention to the Vatican? The Pope seems today to be trying to figure out how to get the papacy to fit the real world, not the other way around.

Atheism is closely correlated with knowledge of how the world really works, and knowledge of how the world really works makes one able to make more effective decisions, and guide one's own destiny. The atheist who aspires to power and wields knowledge ruthlessly will much more likely realize his ambition than anyone else less knowledgeable or less driven.

So, recent history has seen ruthless leaders who, being atheist, applied their superior knowledge to become leaders, leaders to a people who distrust anyone religious ever attaining political leadership, with the result that some of these atheist bastards armed with the best killing tools ever invented were able to kill by the millions.

So, yes, atheists committed the worst genocides. And their atheism was a factor, but not the driving factor. The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes.

Atheists did them because as political leaders they could.

Religious leaders didn't do them because religious political leadership is increasingly impossible. There aren't any significant religious political leaders. Were religious political leadership still possible today, the history of genocide would be BLOODIER than it was, bloody as it was. The Middle East is the last bastion of actual religious political leadership, and the whole world has watched as that leadership made the Middle East the most inviting paradise created on earth - for corpses.

Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION. But before the anti-Bible, anti-theist comments pour in on my little formula,

I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush


Sin is just a concept of yours from being thoroughly indoctrinated. Evidence that Jesus was sinless? Or that he even existed? And the Holy Bobble isn't evidence so quoting from that oft translated and manipulated book is meaningless.

Stalin murdered many atheists, agnostics and scientists. He was a power hungry egomaniac who killed anyone who got in his way. Total power was a driving force as it is with all dictators and fascists, as it is with anyone determined to force their will on others, like your god in the Bible.

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08-10-2014, 02:53 PM
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(08-10-2014 02:16 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ...
Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION.
...

No argument from me. Sounds about right.

(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  ...
I noticed NO ONE has yet commented on your own comment, "The driving factor was being a bastard, something every human being has in his genes." That we are all sinners except Jesus is what The Q is saying, eh? Sounds like you all agree via silence, then? Blush

The irony being that if Jesus existed and the Jesus-creation story is true...

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He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
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Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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08-10-2014, 03:04 PM
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(08-10-2014 01:57 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Yes, POWER + WOBBLY ETHICS = DESTRUCTION.

While you do have wobbly ethics, you do not have power, so we have no worries about destruction from you. Drinking Beverage

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