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12-04-2017, 01:17 PM
RE: Why I Believe
(12-04-2017 01:07 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 12:58 PM)SeaJay Wrote:  Interfering with life and tired of the cognitive dissonance

What are Gwynnies?

Gwynnies is the goddess. Although as atheists we are required to affirm that she does not exist, she qualifies under special exception paragraph 3 a "Minor deities of unquestionable benevolence". Plus she's hot.
Works for me!

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12-04-2017, 01:18 PM (This post was last modified: 12-04-2017 01:21 PM by Deesse23.)
RE: Why I Believe
(12-04-2017 01:05 PM)SeaJay Wrote:  
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But you have demonstrated that those experiences are no good evidence at all.

It is not very subjective. Lets approach this problem in small steps, aka with "salami tactics".
Is faith a good enough reason to believe in anything? Well, depends. What is the goal in your life? If it is something like "i want to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible", then you are interested in someting like "truth" (not the "personal truth" bullshit, but the one and single truth about all things around us). True is what can be shown to be real. Is that good enough for you? Ok.
Back to faith. Is faith a good tool to find out what is true and false about anything? Well, since you can believe in about everything by faith alone, even things contradicting each other, it obviously is not a good tool to find out what is true about anything.
Can it be a good tool to believe in (any) god? Wink
Good post.

Faith isn't a good tool to believe in anything. I don't even have faith my wife loves me, I have confidence in the fact she loves me. I trust her too, but that's not really faith either
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Trust is based on previous experience and input called "data". It is rational to trust somebody/thing based on this.
Faith, well you already have explained that this is:
Quote:the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen
Believing in things just because you hope them to be true, that is irrational and not a good tool to find out what is true.

Example: I hope to own a million €. Ergo i believe (on faith) i own a million €. Boy, you dont have the slightest clue how hard i hoped for that to be true! *runs off to the nearest brothel in the hope of staying there for at least a year consecutively*

Do you think this was a good idea? Not the part with the brothel in patrticular, but the part about someting becoming true, because i hope for it?

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12-04-2017, 02:46 PM
RE: Why I Believe
(05-04-2017 05:40 AM)SeaJay Wrote:  Fear is the key. Not sure if anyone expected that answer, but it's true. For the most part fear is the key. I mean, it's not just fear, I do have a belief it is true. But here's the situation:

I have major issues with Christianity, from slavery, brutality, misogynistic practices, the need for a human sacrifice, the threat of an eternal agonising afterlife for some, the need for any of this. But I am scared of being wrong. I have a real phobia about going to hell. I feel trapped and as I see it, there are only two ways out for me.

1. To be convinced there is no hell (not possible – as we cannot say either way for sure)

2. To, not believe. All I will say is that I have major doubts. I'm having a real crisis of faith.

That was what kept me Christian for a good two years. I got to a point where I knew I didn't believe, but feared I was failing a test and would go to hell. It took six months past that point for me to get comfortable in my disbelief.

Also, you don't have to 100% disprove hell to not believe in it. Think about it this way; how much sleep have you lost that you're going to Muslim hell for not believing in Allah? Just because one of an infinite varieties of hell COULD exist doesn't mean it's worth fretting over.

I got a lot of peace of mind once I stopped worrying about other people's nonfalsifiable theories.
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12-04-2017, 03:19 PM
RE: Why I Believe
I wish, Girly, I wish. There ain't enough booze in the world (and I've been frightfully sober since what feels like forever. No wonder my mind's been trying to commit seppuku in my head Dodgy )

Keep dismantling it, SeaJay, bit by bit until it fall crumbles to the ground and you're left free. You'll get there.

(And faith (even if this is what my name actually means Rolleyes ) is the worst thing to base your entire life on. Not on something no one has ever seen anyway.)

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12-04-2017, 03:42 PM
RE: Why I Believe
(12-04-2017 03:19 PM)Vera Wrote:  I wish, Girly, I wish. There ain't enough booze in the world (and I've been frightfully sober since what feels like forever. No wonder my mind's been trying to commit seppuku in my head Dodgy )

Keep dismantling it, SeaJay, bit by bit until it fall crumbles to the ground and you're left free. You'll get there.

(And faith (even if this is what my name actually means Rolleyes ) is the worst thing to base your entire life on. Not on something no one has ever seen anyway.)

I just figured out that seppuku is not a form of bukakke. The more you know.

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12-04-2017, 03:47 PM
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Wow. With that outta the way, allow me to toss in one of my favorite youtubes everz.




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12-04-2017, 03:49 PM
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(12-04-2017 03:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I just figured out that seppuku is not a form of bukakke. The more you know.

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12-04-2017, 03:56 PM
RE: Why I Believe
(12-04-2017 03:42 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I just figured out that seppuku is not a form of bukakke. The more you know.

And I know just enough *not* to google bukkake.

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12-04-2017, 03:59 PM
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Do not use google to translate Girly

should be a forum rule. Angel

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12-04-2017, 04:02 PM
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(12-04-2017 03:59 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Do not use google to translate Girly

should be a forum rule. Angel

I knew it's sth. to do with porn even pre-Girly. But ain't nobody got time for porn one ain't being paid to handle, as 'twere Angel

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