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12-08-2014, 01:51 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
"bears on its face no evident marks of forgery"

There are plenty marks of forgery. Mark 16:9-20 - Totally Forged. Example 1. Refute that.

Next - define forgery - "Not part of the original author's work?"

Who was the original authors of the Gospels - answer - we don't know!

Therefore the entire New Testament is a Forgery since no one claimed to have written it. On its face it makes no claims to authority of any kind as we have no idea who is making the claims and cannot question them or test their authenticity in any way.

How convenient.

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're an incredible slouch.

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12-08-2014, 01:52 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  The 4 gospels were written decades after the crucifixtion (if it occurred) and their authorship is annonymous. There is no more evidence for Christianity than any other religion.

Luke wrote Acts and said it was part two of his former work in Luke, but he makes no mention of Paul dying in Acts. Paul died around 65 AD along with all the other Apostles except John in the Neronian persecutions. Therefore, Acts was written about 50 AD to record the development of the churches and travels of the Apostles such as Paul with Luke and Barnabas, Timothy and Mark and Peter.

Since Luke was written before Acts that places Luke around 40 AD. But since Luke took from Mark that places Mark around 35 AD just two years after the cross. And since Mark worked with Peter, that places 1 & 2 Peter right there after the cross 33 AD. Likewise, Matthew and John were written a few years after the cross as well by the Apostles Matthew and John. None other exist!

Jesus and the Apostles are the most documented persons in antiquity. In fact there are more sources for Jesus 150 years from His death than any ten figures from antiquity combined. We have 45 sources for Jesus, 17 of which are non-Christian. 24 of those sources speak of His resurrection, and therefore, by implication, His death. 12 of the 17 non-Christian sources speak of Jesus' death, 12 of His resurrection and 7 of His deity. Take for example, Tiberius who died 4 years after Jesus. He only had 9 sources written about him.

Since no naturalistic explanation can account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles, the most documented event in antiquity, Christianity is evidenced unlike other faiths such as atheism, Islam or Hinduism.

Atheism is false because something can't come from nothing and infinite regress is impossible. Islam is false because Muhammad provided no evidence 6 centuries later that Jesus never died went to the cross. And Hinduism is false because its god Brahma is said to be amoral, but how can God have morals below our own? Moreover, reincarnation fails for it never effectively deals with man's sin nature as you come back as a frog if you are bad human. Atheists don't even believe man has a sin nature because atheists are so morally destitute so when a male atheist rapes a female atheist this is just fine as the most caring generous person is with the same result of both ceasing to exist.

Atheism is Satanic and bound for Hell, the Lake of Fire! Thank you God for that!
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12-08-2014, 01:54 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 01:33 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 12:57 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  There are no contemporaneous eyewitness accounts of any such events. Only hearsay.

There are no contemporaneous eyewitness accounts for anything in antiquity except for the eyewitness Apostles in various group settings recorded by them in the NT.

The first churches were built on their eyewitness testimony as soon as Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected the 3rd day.

Wrong again. There are lots of document thing from history and lots of things that have a fair amount of evidence. The resurrection, not so much. The first church was built around 250.
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12-08-2014, 02:08 PM (This post was last modified: 12-08-2014 02:15 PM by Simon Moon.)
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  The 4 gospels were written decades after the crucifixtion (if it occurred) and their authorship is annonymous. There is no more evidence for Christianity than any other religion.

Luke wrote Acts and said it was part two of his former work in Luke, but he makes no mention of Paul dying in Acts. Paul died around 65 AD along with all the other Apostles except John in the Neronian persecutions. Therefore, Acts was written about 50 AD to record the development of the churches and travels of the Apostles such as Paul with Luke and Barnabas, Timothy and Mark and Peter.

Since Luke was written before Acts that places Luke around 40 AD. But since Luke took from Mark that places Mark around 35 AD just two years after the cross. And since Mark worked with Peter, that places 1 & 2 Peter right there after the cross 33 AD. Likewise, Matthew and John were written a few years after the cross as well by the Apostles Matthew and John. None other exist!

Jesus and the Apostles are the most documented persons in antiquity. In fact there are more sources for Jesus 150 years from His death than any ten figures from antiquity combined. We have 45 sources for Jesus, 17 of which are non-Christian. 24 of those sources speak of His resurrection, and therefore, by implication, His death. 12 of the 17 non-Christian sources speak of Jesus' death, 12 of His resurrection and 7 of His deity. Take for example, Tiberius who died 4 years after Jesus. He only had 9 sources written about him.

Since no naturalistic explanation can account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles, the most documented event in antiquity, Christianity is evidenced unlike other faiths such as atheism, Islam or Hinduism.

Atheism is false because something can't come from nothing and infinite regress is impossible. Islam is false because Muhammad provided no evidence 6 centuries later that Jesus never died went to the cross. And Hinduism is false because its god Brahma is said to be amoral, but how can God have morals below our own? Moreover, reincarnation fails for it never effectively deals with man's sin nature as you come back as a frog if you are bad human. Atheists don't even believe man has a sin nature because atheists are so morally destitute so when a male atheist rapes a female atheist this is just fine as the most caring generous person is with the same result of both ceasing to exist.


The consensus, even by Christian scholars, places the authorship of Acts no earlier than 85 CE. But the latest textual criticism places it more likely to be at 115 CE.

If Jesus and the Apostles were so well documented, why is there zero documents written at the time they existed? There were many historians and other chroniclers in the area at the right time, yet they are all silent.


Quote:Atheism is Satanic and bound for Hell, the Lake of Fire! Thank you God for that!

That must be some of the 'Christian love' I hear so much about.
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12-08-2014, 02:09 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)hbl Wrote:  Atheists don't even believe man has a sin nature because atheists are so morally destitute so when a male atheist rapes a female atheist this is just fine as the most caring generous person is with the same result of both ceasing to exist.

Atheism is Satanic and bound for Hell, the Lake of Fire! Thank you God for that!

Wow, aren't you a nasty, hateful creature! Shocking

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12-08-2014, 02:09 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)hbl Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 11:45 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  The 4 gospels were written decades after the crucifixtion (if it occurred) and their authorship is annonymous. There is no more evidence for Christianity than any other religion.

Luke wrote Acts and said it was part two of his former work in Luke, but he makes no mention of Paul dying in Acts. Paul died around 65 AD along with all the other Apostles except John in the Neronian persecutions. Therefore, Acts was written about 50 AD to record the development of the churches and travels of the Apostles such as Paul with Luke and Barnabas, Timothy and Mark and Peter.

Since Luke was written before Acts that places Luke around 40 AD. But since Luke took from Mark that places Mark around 35 AD just two years after the cross. And since Mark worked with Peter, that places 1 & 2 Peter right there after the cross 33 AD. Likewise, Matthew and John were written a few years after the cross as well by the Apostles Matthew and John. None other exist!

Jesus and the Apostles are the most documented persons in antiquity. In fact there are more sources for Jesus 150 years from His death than any ten figures from antiquity combined. We have 45 sources for Jesus, 17 of which are non-Christian. 24 of those sources speak of His resurrection, and therefore, by implication, His death. 12 of the 17 non-Christian sources speak of Jesus' death, 12 of His resurrection and 7 of His deity. Take for example, Tiberius who died 4 years after Jesus. He only had 9 sources written about him.

Since no naturalistic explanation can account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles, the most documented event in antiquity, Christianity is evidenced unlike other faiths such as atheism, Islam or Hinduism.

Atheism is false because something can't come from nothing and infinite regress is impossible. Islam is false because Muhammad provided no evidence 6 centuries later that Jesus never died went to the cross. And Hinduism is false because its god Brahma is said to be amoral, but how can God have morals below our own? Moreover, reincarnation fails for it never effectively deals with man's sin nature as you come back as a frog if you are bad human. Atheists don't even believe man has a sin nature because atheists are so morally destitute so when a male atheist rapes a female atheist this is just fine as the most caring generous person is with the same result of both ceasing to exist.

Atheism is Satanic and bound for Hell, the Lake of Fire! Thank you God for that!

Please provide a source for all that. I have yet to find a source that agrees with any of those dates you are using. Your dates differ from biblical scholars by 10's to 100's of years.

As far as Jesus being the most document person, he is far from it. There is only the gospels, if they are even true. Of which only two are considered to be original, the other two are consider recompositions. Lots of versions of the same book does not increase the documentation.

For someone that follows a religion of peace and love you are a hate filled person. I hope you find peace one day.
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12-08-2014, 02:17 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
How is this thread still going on? 108 pages of arguing the same points over and over again. Fun for some perhaps, an eye sore on the first page for others Drinking Beverage.
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12-08-2014, 02:25 PM
Re: RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)hbl Wrote:  Atheism is Satanic and bound for Hell, the Lake of Fire! Thank you God for that!
Where are you going on holiday this year hbl?

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12-08-2014, 02:26 PM
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Come on, if we band together and don't believe in this thread, it will cease to exist.

Just like we do to gods

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12-08-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(12-08-2014 02:26 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Come on, if we band together and don't believe in this thread, it will cease to exist.

Just like we do to gods

What and give hbl a god complex?
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