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14-08-2014, 06:23 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
This person has a martyr complex. Every rebuttal fuels that. Stop responding and he will go away.
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14-08-2014, 01:06 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 04:02 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 12:12 AM)hbl Wrote:  I am not arguing for the universe always existing in its present form. I am arguing for the law of cause and effect is never violated in nature.

Think about that.

You're assuming that this universe, and what is observed ("nature") INSIDE this universe, is the totality of physical reality. You have no reason to assume that. Cosmologists routinely talk about other universes, and multiverses. You're assuming what you observe AT A DISTANCE about a singularity, (which has been been proven to be false) is the SAME, as AT the singularity. You use "external to" (a spatial reference), and "caused" (a temporal reference) to refer to a situation to which those words do not apply, and cannot apply, ("before" space time is the same as talking about south of the South Pole). Dr. Sean Carroll explained this to WLC in their debate. You obviously are unable to get it, or think in terms other than your Presuppositiionalism. BTW, virtual particles need have no "cause", so your presumed "observation" is incorrect.

See 1 hour:21 minutes in, if you can't watch the whole thing.





You're still wrong. Still saying the same thing as you did at the beginning of this thread. Repeating the same false references does not make them true. You are unable to learn.

Sucks to be you.

Also: naive physical intuition is worthless.




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14-08-2014, 04:08 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 05:57 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-08-2014 05:29 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  IMO, the mods have been extremely generous to hbl, but it's time to put this horse to pasture.

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This horse needs to be put down. Drinking Beverage

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14-08-2014, 04:39 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
Is this thread still going? I thought the power of the ponies put an end to him...Guess not even the magic of friendship can eliminate this foe.


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14-08-2014, 04:56 PM
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ok ok I will stop the photo bombing lol

but seriously Confused this thread needs to die...

On the positive side, I found a pic of HBL:

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14-08-2014, 10:16 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 03:47 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  You say that something can't come from nothing.

Atheists propose there was non-existence only which caused something. That's fucking stupid just like you!

That which doesn't exist can't cause anything. It doesn't exist. You're a total retard. Fortunately we in Christ are saved from morons like you because God created Hell.

Thank God!
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14-08-2014, 11:05 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 10:16 PM)hbl Wrote:  Atheists propose there was non-existence only which caused something.

More likely there was something there before the Big Bang, but it wasn't a god; it was probably something very, very simple like an energy potential.

On a related matter, your alleged god couldn't possibly have created energy because action requires energy. Therefore, if your god used energy at all in the supposed creation of the universe, it was not a creation ex nihilo but simply a rearrangement of the matter/energy precursors that already had to exist in order for your god to do anything.
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14-08-2014, 11:15 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 11:05 PM)Astreja Wrote:  More likely there was something there before the Big Bang, but it wasn't a god; it was probably something very, very simple like an energy potential.

On a related matter, your alleged god couldn't possibly have created energy because action requires energy. Therefore, if your god used energy at all in the supposed creation of the universe, it was not a creation ex nihilo but simply a rearrangement of the matter/energy precursors that already had to exist in order for your god to do anything.

Your energy potential theory and preexisting energy can't come from nothing. Therefore nature needs a cause outside itself, from the uncreated Creator.
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14-08-2014, 11:18 PM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(14-08-2014 11:15 PM)hbl Wrote:  Your energy potential theory and preexisting energy can't come from nothing.

Then they must have always been here in some form or another. Much simpler and more elegant than postulating an eternal being that hates shrimp but created them anyway, thought it was a good idea to flood the entire planet to get rid of some pesky humans, and got blindsided by a Talking Snake™ in its garden of magic trees.
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14-08-2014, 11:27 PM
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(14-08-2014 11:18 PM)Astreja Wrote:  Then they must have always been here in some form or another. Much simpler and more elegant than postulating an eternal being

You energy potential theory could not always have been there because if there was this alleged infinite regress of cause and effects, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now so you should have already happened. Therefore, energy in nature needs a cause outside itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated by the uncreated Creator. Maintaining this contradiction of yours is hardly elegant. It is self-contradictory cognitive dissonance, a form of delusion.
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