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07-08-2014, 08:00 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 01:50 AM)hbl Wrote:  For example, legend theory fails because:

1) Original disciples claimed resurrection from the beginning so there is nothing to embellish.
2) Paul claimed to have seen Jesus, led to his conversion and was in agreement with the original Apostles.
3) James, brother of Jesus, claimed to have seen Jesus resurrected which led to his conversion.
4) Critics need evidence to overturn these points.

Critics need nothing to overturn these CLAIMS

Fixed that for you.
One needs nothing to dismiss unsupported CLAIMS.

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07-08-2014, 08:56 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 07:34 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 08:57 PM)hbl Wrote:  It's true we have exhausted all naturalistic theories to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles. Therefore, logically, it is true, Jesus is God, raised Himself from the grave, and salvation is only possible through Him. There is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved. Consequently, since you reject your Creator's mercy, He rejects you by sending you to Hell.

Let's see now...

I think we have the answer for your non sequiturs....

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Therefore ...

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... because ...

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(31-07-2014 04:37 PM)Luminon Wrote:  America is full of guns, but they're useless, because nobody has the courage to shoot an IRS agent in self-defense
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07-08-2014, 09:08 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(03-08-2014 08:40 PM)hbl Wrote:  The reason I don't believe in atheism is because something can't come from nothing. That which does not exist can't cause anything because it doesn't exist. For example, a square circle can't cause anything because it doesn't exist. Likewise, non-existence can't cause nature or the universe to come into being. Krauss would be wrong as well, because that which doesn't exist can't split into something. It doesn't exist.

And nature can't always have existed either, because if it did, you would by that definition have had an eternity to come into being before now in an infinite regression of cause and effects, so you should have already happened.

Moreover, infinite regress is inherently self-contradictory because if there was this past eternity of cause and effects as part of nature, the universe or universes, then a past eternity should continue to go on for eternity, never reaching this point in the here and now. Thus, past eternity is a man made construct, but doesn't exist in reality.

Therefore, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. Knowing this, we know, therefore, that nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is whom we call God. If you ask me what I mean by the term God, the first thing I would tell you is that this is the 'uncreated Creator'.

Knowing that God exists, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself as only one faith can be true because God does not contradict Himself. He makes Himself known rather than unknown as we have already seen by this proof. What else does He reveal about Himself?


Yes, this all resonates with me.

The Judao-Christian God was originally a phallic notion of an inseminating celestial thingy.

I think when science fails, yes, we should dig up ancient sex and phallic worship and dance around a Maypole in the nude.

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07-08-2014, 09:42 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 12:41 AM)Astreja Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 12:37 AM)hbl Wrote:  The problem with this approach is that there should be some progression of the legend, but we don't find that. What we find is resurrection was taught from the beginning.

More likely, all the gospels and commentaries that diverged from the "official" version of the legend were destroyed by the early Church fathers.

Yes Astreja!

Iif you read the Gnostic Gospels many don't have the resurrection story in them at all. Jesus comes across more like Buddha. The Gnostic Gospels were not included because it would have messed with the storyline the early church was wanting to create. All the many hundreds of letters about Jesus, which were copies of copies of copies- hundreds of times over, were floating around and finally compiled in the third century and edited by the church fathers to make the story work.

Religions start pretty quickly because so many people are gullible and like a good story to get them through life. Think of Scientology or the Mormons. Hell, think of how people believe in conspiracy theories so quickly, it's similar to a religious-like belief. The 9/11 in a good example. People just like to believe in crap whether it's true or not and when a community of people all believe in the same crappy story it makes them feel warm and fuzzy and connected with each other. That's what religion is all about. It certainly isn't about reality.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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07-08-2014, 09:43 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 08:56 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 07:34 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Let's see now...

I think we have the answer for your non sequiturs....

[Image: upside-down-dog-1.jpg]

Therefore ...

[Image: 64ba1b29a71890a2df6556032e920480.jpg?stmp=1391545952]

... because ...

[Image: asian-women-jarah-mariano.jpg]

[Image: c19138e575fd96152189e7d0087e00df-d5mluv5.jpg]

[Image: cheese.jpg]

[Image: CheeseAssortment.jpg]


Blessed are the Cheesemakers. BowingBowingBowingBowingBowing

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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07-08-2014, 09:46 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 08:56 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 07:34 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Let's see now...

I think we have the answer for your non sequiturs....

[Image: upside-down-dog-1.jpg]

Therefore ...

[Image: 64ba1b29a71890a2df6556032e920480.jpg?stmp=1391545952]

... because ...

[Image: asian-women-jarah-mariano.jpg]

[Image: c19138e575fd96152189e7d0087e00df-d5mluv5.jpg]

[Image: cheese.jpg]

[Image: CheeseAssortment.jpg]

Reminds me of..........




Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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07-08-2014, 09:47 AM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2014 10:03 AM by KidCharlemagne1962.)
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 08:56 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 07:34 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Let's see now...

I think we have the answer for your non sequiturs....

[Image: upside-down-dog-1.jpg]

Therefore ...

[Image: 64ba1b29a71890a2df6556032e920480.jpg?stmp=1391545952]

... because ...

[Image: asian-women-jarah-mariano.jpg]

[Image: c19138e575fd96152189e7d0087e00df-d5mluv5.jpg]

[Image: cheese.jpg]

[Image: CheeseAssortment.jpg]

Alas, this thread has reached the cheese phase. I don't like cheese...darn you Revs why didn't you opt for the Sandwich option? Weeping

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07-08-2014, 10:01 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
(07-08-2014 07:34 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 08:57 PM)hbl Wrote:  It's true we have exhausted all naturalistic theories to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles. Therefore, logically, it is true, Jesus is God, raised Himself from the grave, and salvation is only possible through Him. There is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved. Consequently, since you reject your Creator's mercy, He rejects you by sending you to Hell.

Let's see now...

I think we have the answer for your non sequiturs....

[Image: upside-down-dog-1.jpg]

Therefore ...

[Image: 64ba1b29a71890a2df6556032e920480.jpg?stmp=1391545952]

... because ...

[Image: asian-women-jarah-mariano.jpg]

[Image: tumblr_mdlikjhWd41rg6dn6o1_500.gif]

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07-08-2014, 10:09 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
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07-08-2014, 10:10 AM
RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
Y U GUYS NOT BELIEVE IN LACKING BELIEF IN SOMETHING? HUH?
Are you YES I BELIEVE IN LACKING BELIEF?
Are you NO I DON'T BELIEVE IN LACKING BELIEF?
Or do you not know about lacking belief cuz u agnoztikz bout it?

HUH?

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