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13-02-2013, 03:56 PM
RE: Why I am me.
(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  I never realized how my delusions were corrupting my perception until I became aware that they were delusions and cast them off the plank. So it makes sense that you assume your immune to the perception altering properties your delusion. Drinking Beverage
I'm not claiming to be immune! This is why I disregard lots of observations that are inconclusive, ambiguous, possibly caused by expectations and so on. Expect the unexpected, throw away the rest! I'm willing to get rid of anything, as long as I get some scientific evidence to replace it with.

(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  What's wrong with being confused about the nature of reality? Well if you don't care about the truth then by all means, be confused. We know a lot about reality, the unaccounted mass in the universe doesn't translate into us knowing almost nothing. There is some substance that appears to permeate space that is very massive and yet does not appear to interact with normal matter as well as not giving off any form of radiation that we are aware of, only bending pre-existing radiation that passes through it. From this, because of your sense perception, you jump to chakras. This is completely insane to everyone else (so long as they are scientifically literate I might add). I'd rather live my one life figuring out the true nature of objective reality instead of living a fairy tale, hence why I am not a theist or a conspiracy theorist anymore.

I don't just jump to chakras, I grow Heron's beard (manage ambiguous experience) and I can shave it with Occam's razor when I will have a reason to do so. Some better explanation might come along, something that is actually to the point. That would be great, it would not only explain everything, but it would also give objective, visible evidence to everyone on this planet.
But until then I just can't ignore the sensations that are pretty goddamn identical with the Indian charts of the chakra and meridian system. I just have to read up on it and be surprised how closely that fits. Man, it's impossible to ignore, when I get a headache, it hurts in the meridian lines! I can't believe there is anything wrong with noticing that.

Mind you, I know it's not objective evidence, I know it could be disproven any time, I know I'd have to drop it the moment I find the evidence and I know it would be much better to have some objective science at hand. I'd love to introduce some new, fresh view on things from the scientific side. So far I had no chance, being stuck in a rural village. It took all my life to get out of there. Now the first sight of science is just several months ahead, isn't that exciting?
I know what you think- drinking Kool Aid, it's like riding the white tiger (taking cocaine), they all say they can stop and get down any time they want, but the moment they try, the white tiger bites them...

(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  Actually yes, for example a schizophrenic. If we were to give him medication that removed the voices, do you think it would be easier or harder for him to determine if the voices were only a subjective experience?
Both. Depends on whether he remembers some time in the past that other people in his vicinity heard the same voice saying the same things. (a harder case) Then it depends on how familiar he is with other schizophrenia patients, if he knows they make up even their own past. (an easier case)

(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  Now I'm confused about the nature of reality because I accept falsifiable and repeatable experiments as evidence? Do you see how this twists your reasoning?
No, I don't. Repeatable and falsifiable evidence is the best case scenario, when we can determine rationality pretty straight away. Wonderful. If only it was available to everyone.
It seems that without other people and science in their hands we have no way to tell if we're rational. So I'd say my rationality depends on my close encounter with science, will I backpedal and make excuses, or come clear and do what the testing demands. Thanks, that's what I needed to know.

(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  Chas has already answered the questions sufficiently.
No, he answered the best case scenario. The state where science is possible and evidence is available - and if not, it soon will be, so better do nothing until scientific emergency arrives. Well, this is not how it worked for me. I was stuck in a science-less village for more than 20 years and managed to move out to civilization only recently.
Now, I've made lots of observations for these 20 years and I'm looking forward to re-examining them under medical insight and hopefully other sciences. But don't expect me to drop them all at once for no reason, when I haven't yet seen any alternate scientific explanation even remotely to the point. Don't worry, even if the science doesn't explain all at once, I can keep both theories simultaneously in mind until one completely prevails. I'm not the one to reject anything outright.

(13-02-2013 01:41 PM)Aspchizo Wrote:  No more of this nonsense here, this is not the topic of the thread and I won't let you continue to derail the thread.
Ay captain, it's your thread. I think I've got my answer, what it takes to be rational for sure.

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Why I am me. - Adenosis - 09-02-2013, 12:36 AM
RE: Why I am me. - DLJ - 09-02-2013, 02:27 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 10-02-2013, 10:27 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 10-02-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 10-02-2013, 09:47 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 11-02-2013, 07:18 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Chas - 11-02-2013, 07:22 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 11-02-2013, 12:56 PM
RE: Why I am me. - DLJ - 11-02-2013, 12:59 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 11-02-2013, 01:04 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 11-02-2013, 03:39 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 11-02-2013, 03:55 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 11-02-2013, 04:39 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 11-02-2013, 05:14 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 12-02-2013, 06:14 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 12-02-2013, 07:32 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 13-02-2013, 04:51 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Chas - 13-02-2013, 06:15 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 13-02-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 13-02-2013, 01:46 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 13-02-2013, 01:41 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 13-02-2013 03:56 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 09-02-2013, 04:19 AM
RE: Why I am me. - DLJ - 09-02-2013, 05:13 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 09-02-2013, 09:23 AM
RE: Why I am me. - DLJ - 09-02-2013, 09:29 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Chas - 09-02-2013, 11:21 AM
RE: Why I am me. - Luminon - 09-02-2013, 01:35 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Chas - 09-02-2013, 01:41 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Zat - 09-02-2013, 11:31 AM
RE: Why I am me. - PurpleChimp - 10-02-2013, 10:00 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 10-02-2013, 10:09 PM
RE: Why I am me. - PurpleChimp - 10-02-2013, 10:19 PM
RE: Why I am me. - Adenosis - 10-02-2013, 10:45 PM
RE: Why I am me. - DLJ - 11-02-2013, 07:36 AM
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