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24-07-2011, 12:38 PM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(24-07-2011 01:30 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  Ok just checking, every country has people born in it who really just don't belong. And politicians are always liars, that's not gonna change wherever you go. If I was moving due to going where I want then probably the Netherlands or Japan. I would have trouble starting over wherever I go, but I have always wanted to leave the US. I was very upset when I learned that it's the same food though cause I've liked the foods in other places since they are better prepared. Love makes compromises =p. And anyway I was unemployed for 3 years so it will be nothing new.

Before I let the thread return to it's purpose I must say I agree with Japan, I would also totally want to live there, preferably on one of the lesser populated islands that still retain their original beauty.

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29-07-2011, 05:34 AM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
Quote:I love red and they stole my color!!!!
Lilith: come to Sweden instead, here red represents the left and blue is for the right-wing parties (who unfortunately are in charge for the time being) Smile
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29-07-2011, 06:17 AM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
But my boy/girlfriend lives in Canada so I have to go get her first >.> And since she has kids moving might be complicated.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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01-08-2011, 06:48 AM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(29-07-2011 06:17 AM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  But my boy/girlfriend lives in Canada so I have to go get her first >.> And since she has kids moving might be complicated.

Well... I didn't quite figure you would actually base what country you move to on what colour represent the different political ideologies Wink Even though Sweden is a very nice country to live in... during the summer at least Smile
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02-08-2011, 12:21 PM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(29-07-2011 05:34 AM)MAD Wrote:  
Quote:I love red and they stole my color!!!!
Lilith: come to Sweden instead, here red represents the left and blue is for the right-wing parties (who unfortunately are in charge for the time being) Smile

That's the way it for the majority of the political world outside of the U.S. At least in Europe actually. It was that way moreso in the US before 2000 but there was always a lot of back and forth from the media never sticking until the 2000 presidential election made it a big lock that republican is Red and democratic is Blue for no reason.

I know of a lot of people who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and it happens to be a thing that so often is common in younger folks. The issues change over time and younger generations are more often open to the current social issues because its what they're growing up with. If you look at a lot of conservatives in their youth you would see they were supportive of the social issues in their day that made them act in liberal ways such as civil rights and equal rights and so on. After people age they look at the younger generations as way to liberal and progressive being unable to understand they are equal to what they once were supportive of and still support because they're set to a way or uneducated about the situations.

There was a period of time when I was moving to a Libertarian perspective but even that viewpoint bothers me a whole lot as well as the way many politicians of the party react. I don't support the dependence on a two party system nor see why American has yet to form any type of true labor party but those are issues unlikely to change for awhile. While in the 08 election I did vote for Nader.
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02-08-2011, 12:48 PM
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(02-08-2011 12:21 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  That's the way it for the majority of the political world outside of the U.S. At least in Europe actually.
After all, isn't "red" a word for Communist?

Quote:If you look at a lot of conservatives in their youth you would see they were supportive of the social issues in their day that made them act in liberal ways such as civil rights and equal rights and so on. After people age they look at the younger generations as way to liberal and progressive being unable to understand they are equal to what they once were supportive of and still support because they're set to a way or uneducated about the situations.
Not sure if I get your meaning, are you asking why people are liberal when young, then turn more conservative as they get older? I have noticed this happen a lot, usually people's view turn fiscally conservative once they start filing their own taxes, and get an idea of how much money to government is taking out of their pockets. And once they have to make their own living and pay a mortgage and put kids through school, where their money is going tends to become more and more important.

Quote:There was a period of time when I was moving to a Libertarian perspective but even that viewpoint bothers me a whole lot as well as the way many politicians of the party react. I don't support the dependence on a two party system nor see why American has yet to form any type of true labor party but those are issues unlikely to change for awhile. While in the 08 election I did vote for Nader.
I think America sorely needs at least another party. Look how successful the Tea Party was to energize a sizable group of people. Of course I dislike the Tea Party, but you get my meaning, a lot of people don't feel either of the major party represents them.

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02-08-2011, 08:37 PM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2011 09:30 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(02-08-2011 12:48 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  I think America sorely needs at least another party. Look how successful the Tea Party was to energize a sizable group of people. Of course I dislike the Tea Party, but you get my meaning, a lot of people don't feel either of the major party represents them.

I don't like them either, and I want them out of my Republican party. If my party's leadership don't have the gonads to stand up to them and force them to splinter into their own third party, then I don't have the stomach to remain a Republican. And America gets a viable third party out of it.

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11-08-2011, 08:55 AM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(02-08-2011 12:48 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  
Quote:If you look at a lot of conservatives in their youth you would see they were supportive of the social issues in their day that made them act in liberal ways such as civil rights and equal rights and so on. After people age they look at the younger generations as way to liberal and progressive being unable to understand they are equal to what they once were supportive of and still support because they're set to a way or uneducated about the situations.
Not sure if I get your meaning, are you asking why people are liberal when young, then turn more conservative as they get older? I have noticed this happen a lot, usually people's view turn fiscally conservative once they start filing their own taxes, and get an idea of how much money to government is taking out of their pockets. And once they have to make their own living and pay a mortgage and put kids through school, where their money is going tends to become more and more important.

I agree that this is probably at least one of the reasons why people turn more conservative over the years. What I don't understand though is that when you look at most research (that aren't bought by think tanks or lobby groups) they show that you pay a lower sum of money if for example health care is taken care of by the state instead of profit driven companies.
Isn't that just common sense that it gets cheaper (and usually better) if a service is performed by a company that is dimensioned to give as good help as possible to as many people as needed rather than to maximize the profit they get from the sick people?

Of course I know that a lot of people use the argument that they don't want to pay for someone else getting sick, if they never get sick it would be a losing scenario for them to chip in and pay for health care for the entire population. I do think that everyone has at least one family member or friend who will eventually get sick and need care so I don't quite buy that argument Smile

I might also be influenced by believing in at least a moderate amount of fairness belongs in every society and I think it's wrong to get special treatment just because you happen to be born into a rich family. I know this is something I might get flamed for (when I write similar things to this in other forums across the Internet a lot of people usually starts screaming 'socialist' Tongue), but I'm not saying we should abolish private property and wealth or anything like that, just that the basic needs in a society should be available to everyone no matter their income or social status.
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11-08-2011, 09:19 AM
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Americans like to think themselves richer then they actually are, hence why they hate government programs to help the poor, or socialized health care. I for one am a big supporter of socialized health care, almost every nation has some sort of set up, and you don't see death panels and all of that tosh. Americans are so terrified of sharing and equality.

Personally I think socialized health care will pave the way for better hospitals and health care. I think that lobbyist from insurance companies (people who make money off of sick people) is what stops this bill from passing.

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12-08-2011, 08:46 AM
RE: Why I can't vote Republican.
(11-08-2011 09:19 AM)monkeyshine89 Wrote:  Americans like to think themselves richer then they actually are, hence why they hate government programs to help the poor, or socialized health care. I for one am a big supporter of socialized health care, almost every nation has some sort of set up, and you don't see death panels and all of that tosh. Americans are so terrified of sharing and equality.

Personally I think socialized health care will pave the way for better hospitals and health care. I think that lobbyist from insurance companies (people who make money off of sick people) is what stops this bill from passing.

I've heard that argument several times, can people really be that blind to their own actual means? Also, even if they think they're richer than they are, why would that automatically mean that they don't want to help the less fortunate (except as charity which I understand is tax-deductible in the US... which I find very strange)?

I just have a very hard time understanding why my income-level would in any way determine if I think the country I live in should care for it's own population.

That's true, here in Sweden we have socialized health care, even though our current government is doing their best to mimic the system in the US, and we haven't had any death panels for decades Wink
There is actually a long lived myth that centuries ago the people who lived here used to push the elderly from a high cliff to keep down the population in hard times (it was called ├Ąttestupan), but that myth stems from an old satirical Icelandic tale about Sweden.
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