Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
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22-10-2012, 09:49 AM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
(22-10-2012 04:07 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  [...] The problem is that we allow billionaires way too much freedom. [...]
And what's your proposed solution for this problem?

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22-10-2012, 09:56 AM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
(22-10-2012 01:59 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(22-10-2012 12:05 AM)Diablo Wrote:  Where was the generalization? I simply stated a fact. The easiest way to get rich is to rip off as many people as possible!

Bill Gates is another great example.
Microsoft is without a question a monopoly, and had numerous questionable deals in the past. Now they sell a disc and box which might run about $1 + Research + Development on for $200. Even after the R&D is long since payed for they still make $199.99 profit for a box and disc.

One of the questionable practices I remember vaguely was how Bill gates gave computers to schools as a charitable donation.
#1 This is a Tax write off.
#2 The PCs were almost certainly listed as being worth more than they actually costed.
#3 Each PC had windows on it, thus he also deducted the market costs of that. (Essentially he sold Windows to a bunch of schools)
#4 Students Learn windows. OS's are a lot like languages, and people tend to stick to what they know.

Thus not only did he turn a profit on the charitable donation, but he was also creating a new gerneration of windows addicts.
Absolutely brilliant!

So where's the bit where Bill Gates is ripping people off?

All I herd was schools get free computers and kids get better facilities at said schools and schools have more money to spend on other things because they don't need to buy computers.
And if Microsoft was a monopoly then these schools would be buying Microsoft anyway...

It's like Anchor (milk and dairy company here). This year they started a thing where they're giving free milk to primary school children.
Yes it's a marketing plow as well as they'll be able to write it off as a charitable donation. BUT, thousands of kids get a free thing of milk every morning at school.
So where's the downside?
And if people then buy anchor milk because they want to support a company that does this then so be it.

It's cleaver marketing which is more then a billboard. It's a win-win.



There's no point in talking about this with Diablo. You're the sort of person that complains about big business not doing enough for the people and then when they do they get BS like your last post. Damned if they do damned if they don't with you people.

All the other companies he railroaded out, while creating his monopoly?
Or how about all the people who are forced to buy their products, because you know they own a monopoly.
Or the tax payers he ripped off. Instead of paying his fair share, he gave a fake contribution to a charity. (Romney does the same thing with his fake charity, and ensuring that his tax rate doesn't go up. It would be a shame if he had to pay a higher % than the greeter at wal-mart!)

I know you are pretty slow, but you do understand that monopolies are generally bad right?

For instance, every other OS that Microsoft produces is usually a complete pile of shit. Its usually just a beta version, and the consumers have to pay them to test it for them.
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22-10-2012, 10:05 AM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
(22-10-2012 09:56 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  All the other companies he railroaded out, while creating his monopoly?
Or how about all the people who are forced to buy their products, because you know they own a monopoly.
There is this company called "Apple", 'don't know if you've ever heard of it. Drinking Beverage

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22-10-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
Vosur beat me to it.
Fucking German...

Talking about Bill Gates and charity. Bill Gates has donated over 28billion dollars to charity and his personal charity has stamped out several diseases entirely in poor South American and African countries.

What have you done for someone else Diablo?
Bet you haven't rid several countries of multiple life threatening diseases. Bet you haven't donated over 28billion to charity.

Nope. All you've done is bitch and moan that your life sucks.
Keep trolling Diablo.

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22-10-2012, 11:54 AM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
$1 for box
$200 retail

R&D is already payed for after the first few million sell.

So, I don't even know how one can argue that charging 20,000% markup is not ripping people off....
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22-10-2012, 12:09 PM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
(22-10-2012 11:54 AM)Diablo666 Wrote:  $1 for box
$200 retail

R&D is already payed for after the first few million sell.

So, I don't even know how one can argue that charging 20,000% markup is not ripping people off....

This is nuts! Do you know how many people work on development, what they make, what their retirement pay will be, where they work (offices), employee taxes and insurance, etc etc etc.

You need to do some home work before you make statements like this. Don't ever try to create livelihoods for other people, you're bound to run their lives into the ground.

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22-10-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
(22-10-2012 04:07 AM)Birdguy1979 Wrote:  If you refuse to employ people in this country, then leave completely. This shit where they go outside the country to build their product and then market it here is rediculous. Don't want to pay wages here leave, but you cannot sell your stuff here. Unless you pay the huge tax to pay for all the government jobs to employ all the people that you won't.

This is the dumbest idea I've heard for a long time. You realise that if all countries did this it would end all imports/exports of manufactured goods? That's what you are doing here, only raw materials would be able to be traded internationally.

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22-10-2012, 05:45 PM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
A lot of you sound like you've read Ayn Rand and took her dogma to heart without realizing that Ayn Rand knew nothing about how large Corporations or Banks operate...or how they effectively steal from the country by regulation, taxes, money creation and the subordination of government. We used to have some organizations who fought these corporations: Unions to name one. But...not an more. As a large part of the public got wealthy, earned college degrees and accumulated some savings, they forgot they were still just peons compared to the corporations and so neglected the downfall of anyoone capable of standing up to the corporations. Once the unions and any effectual political opposition had been eliminated, the worst Corporations went into high gear and started strip-mining this country of it's wealth - and they haven't stopped since.

Seriously, if you think having a 6-Bedroom home, a couple of Mercedes in the garage and a million dollars in the bank is "Well-off" - if by having this you think you are a "Player" in the big scheme of Corporatistism as it now exists - then you are sadly mistaken. The average millionaire has more in common with the typical union pipefitter than he does the elite who rule his life. The Occupy Wall Street movement talked about the 1% and many of you failed to see what was really menat by the term "1%". You were all too ready to assume it meant the typical millionaire who made his money by working hard and being smart. n It didn't. I've known some wealthy people who had millions - but none of them even approached the scale of what the Occupy Wall Street movement was referring to. While they had money, the millionaires I knew couldn't write tax regulations to suit their needs, buy national-level politicians, subourn the regulatory systems, or print money via a bank. In short , 99%+ of the millionaires ain't the 1%: the people who rule. And when the elites who rule end up sucking up the rest of the money from the middle classes, they sure as well won't forget to finish financially raping the 99% of the Millionaires who aren't the elite - who ain't in the club.

If you want a concise explanation of these elites - this "Club" - listen to this bit by the comedian George Carlin (who was also a millionaire). Then, get ready for your future as a debt serf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0
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22-10-2012, 09:02 PM
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
Quote:If you refuse to employ people in this country, then leave completely. This shit where they go outside the country to build their product and then market it here is rediculous. Don't want to pay wages here leave, but you cannot sell your stuff here. Unless you pay the huge tax to pay for all the government jobs to employ all the people that you won't.

How did I miss that little gem of a quote?

Ok, regular's take a seat for a moment I know you've herd me spout this crap many times before.

@Birdman. Allow me to introduce you to basic economics.
We are going to be using Planet Earmuffs for this example.
On Planet Earmuffs is two countries.
Country A and Country B.
On this planet there is only two items that are ever produced. Product X and Product Y.

Each country has a limited space of 1000.
1 unit of product consumes 1 unit of space.

Each country must produce 500 units of X and 500 units of Y in order meet basic survival needs.

Country A is very very very good at producing product X and for every dedicated unit of space allocated to X country A can produce 2 units of X. (Every unit of space given to produce Y produces 1Y)
Country B is very very very good at producing product Y and for every 1 unit of space allocated to producing Y, 2 units of Y are produced.

Now given this information without trade this is what is produced:
Country A: 1000X and 500Y
Because 500 units of space must be allocated to Y because 500 units of Y are required for minimum needs.
Country B: 500X and 1000Y

So that gives a world total of 1500X and 1500Y.


Then one day boats are invented and the two countries become best friends and trade is opened.
Both countries can now focus limited resources (1000 units of space) in the most efficient way possible.

So the result WITH trade is:
Country A: 2000X and 0Y
Country B: 0X and 2000Y

Giving a grand world total of 2000X and 2000Y.

You can fill in the dots as to how this relates to your stupid comment.

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23-10-2012, 06:13 PM (This post was last modified: 23-10-2012 11:14 PM by Diablo.)
RE: Why Is Being Successful A Crime?
Your analogy sucks balls.

What is this imaginary item that is easier to produce in one area as opposed to another?
The only way that would be true is if the resources or costs were cheaper in that country.

Thus, they can produce the same amount, but it might cost more. That's it!
Its not like the Chinese are born with the knowledge on how to snap together iphones....

Also, WTF is space supposed to be analogous to exactly?
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