Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
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26-05-2013, 05:10 PM
Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
I say that the Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law , I will explain why I think that.

1.I will quote a verses from the torah in Hebrew (Hebrew : תורה).
2.I will quote the translations of this verse in 5 versions.
3.My commentary.

I will begin with (Leviticus 20:16).

Hebrew text : וְאִשָּׁ֗ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר תִּקְרַ֚ב אֶל־כָּל־בְּהֵמָה֙ לְרִבְעָ֣ה אֹתָ֔הּ וְהָרַגְתָּ֥ אֶת־הָאִשָּׁ֖ה וְאֶת־הַבְּהֵמָ֑ה מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃

Translations :

1.King James Version (Protestant bible with some archaic therms) : And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

2.Revised standard version catholic version edition (Catholic) : If a woman approaches any beast and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the beast; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.

3.Wycliffe Bible (Use some archaic therms) : A woman that lieth under any beast, be she slain together with it; their blood be on them.

4.Darby Translation (Protestant) : And if a woman approach unto any beast to gender therewith, thou shalt kill the woman and the beast: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.

5.Orthodox Jewish Bible (Messianic Jewish) : And if an isha approach unto any behemah, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the isha, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their dahm shall be upon them.

My commentary : The Jews say apply the mosaic law but if a Jew see a woman practise this kind of sexual relation , he will kill the woman or not ? I think that no because the majority of Jews will be just shocked and don't apply the mosaic law like this is illegal to kill a woman for that in a lot of countries.

I will share with you others verses an other day.

NOTE : If the system of notation of verses used is the system used by Christians this is by convention.
I prefer use the Christian system of notation like this is more simple for the majority of people.
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26-05-2013, 05:11 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
I will quote another verse in the Leviticus. This verse is about adultery. (Leviticus 20:10).
I will do the same thing for Leviticus 20:16.

Hebrew text : וְאִ֗ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֚ר יִנְאַף אֶת־אֵ֣שֶׁת אִ֔ישׁ אֲשֶׁ֥ר יִנְאַ֖ף אֶת־אֵ֣שֶׁת רֵעֵ֑הוּ מֽוֹת־יוּמַ֥ת הַנֹּאֵ֖ף וְהַנֹּאָֽפֶת׃

Translations :

1.King James Version (Protestant bible with some archaic therms) : And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

2.Revised standard version catholic version edition (Catholic) : If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

3.Wycliffe Bible (Use some archaic therms) : If a man doeth lechery with another man’s wife, and doeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress die they by death. (If a man doeth lechery with another man’s wife, yea, if he doeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.)

4.Darby Translation (Protestant) : And a man that committeth adultery with a man's wife, who committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, -- the adulterer and the adulteress shall certainly be put to death.

5.Orthodox Jewish Bible (Messianic Jewish) : And the ish that committeth adultery with the wife of another ish, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the no’ef (adulterer) and the no’efet (adulteress) shall surely be put to death.

My commentary : Again that is an evidence that Jews don't apply the mosaic law.

NOTE : If the system of notation of verses used is the system used by Christians this is by convention.
I prefer use the Christian system of notation like this is more simple for the majority of people.
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26-05-2013, 05:38 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
Who cares ?

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26-05-2013, 05:40 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
I find the reason for this is simple. Most Jews are merely culturally jewish and even those who practice the faith follow a revised version. Only the Ultra-Orthodox Hasidic faction seems to follow every law in the bible and even they are prevented from killing due to secular law. This is the same reason why most christians do not follow papal dictates.

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26-05-2013, 06:24 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
There is no religious court with the authority to pass death sentences under Jewish law since the destruction of the temple.

This allows even Orthodox Jews to relatively "liberal" on the subject.

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26-05-2013, 09:28 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
Fundie literalist Christians who say they take the bibble word for word apparently don't enforce this one either. But then I don't know if someone is screwing their goat or not and really don't wanna know...

I'm just so glad sky daddy bothered to clarify this particular bit of morality for us. We can all rest easy.
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27-05-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
I don't know about these guys, but I'm rather curious about why such Jewish laws aren't followed in Israel...

As we've observed, Muslim countries actually do follow through on these OT death sentences because the national religion has influenced even their law and order, so that perpetrators of these crimes have no friend in court, either. Why wouldn't the same be true of Israel? Their country has a religious doctrine that extends even to their court system. Is it the western influence of the US that has forced them to abandon such practices as ascribed by their holy texts? That's my hypothesis.

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27-05-2013, 11:30 AM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
(27-05-2013 09:45 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  I don't know about these guys, but I'm rather curious about why such Jewish laws aren't followed in Israel...

Because it is a modern secular state.

Never mind what Christian fundies say about it. The motive for founding the state was not 'biblical prophesy'.

See this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky

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27-05-2013, 11:36 AM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
Abdul, you are correct, but in the US fundie Xtians will tell you that this was founded as a Xtian nation and that all should follow the bibble.
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27-05-2013, 02:26 PM
RE: Why Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law ?
(26-05-2013 05:10 PM)viocjit Wrote:  I say that the Jews don't apply a part of mosaic law , I will explain why I think that.

1.I will quote a verses from the torah in Hebrew (Hebrew : תורה).
2.I will quote the translations of this verse in 5 versions.
3.My commentary.

I will begin with (Leviticus 20:16).

Hebrew text : וְאִשָּׁ֗ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר תִּקְרַ֚ב אֶל־כָּל־בְּהֵמָה֙ לְרִבְעָ֣ה אֹתָ֔הּ וְהָרַגְתָּ֥ אֶת־הָאִשָּׁ֖ה וְאֶת־הַבְּהֵמָ֑ה מ֥וֹת יוּמָ֖תוּ דְּמֵיהֶ֥ם בָּֽם׃

Translations :

1.King James Version (Protestant bible with some archaic therms) : And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

2.Revised standard version catholic version edition (Catholic) : If a woman approaches any beast and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the beast; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.

3.Wycliffe Bible (Use some archaic therms) : A woman that lieth under any beast, be she slain together with it; their blood be on them.

4.Darby Translation (Protestant) : And if a woman approach unto any beast to gender therewith, thou shalt kill the woman and the beast: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them.

5.Orthodox Jewish Bible (Messianic Jewish) : And if an isha approach unto any behemah, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the isha, and the beast; they shall surely be put to death; their dahm shall be upon them.

My commentary : The Jews say apply the mosaic law but if a Jew see a woman practise this kind of sexual relation , he will kill the woman or not ? I think that no because the majority of Jews will be just shocked and don't apply the mosaic law like this is illegal to kill a woman for that in a lot of countries.

I will share with you others verses an other day.

NOTE : If the system of notation of verses used is the system used by Christians this is by convention.
I prefer use the Christian system of notation like this is more simple for the majority of people.
What exactly is your point? They don't follow it so that means... what?

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