Why Religion Will Die (as it should)
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21-07-2015, 03:58 PM
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(21-07-2015 02:40 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  When it came to religion I agree with Marx, it's indeed opiate of the masses, opiate which make their suffering (somewhat) bearable.

And religiosity being actively encouraged to keep poor in check? It would not surprise me.

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21-07-2015, 04:03 PM
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(21-07-2015 03:53 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  I have feeling that most users on this forum haven't yet realized their mortality.
Also jews were literate for hundreds if not thousands years and Judaism is doing well.

and at least one user on this forum hasn't realized he's a inflamed nutsack............

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21-07-2015, 04:06 PM
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The jews were no more literate than any other ancient society, dummy.

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21-07-2015, 04:11 PM
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(21-07-2015 03:53 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  I have feeling that most users on this forum haven't yet realized their mortality.
Also jews were literate for hundreds if not thousands years and Judaism is doing well.

Literacy in Antiquity was around 5 to 10% of the population at most. The Hebrew society wasn't very literate comparatively speaking. Only their priesthood, scribes and royalty were literate which account for around 5% of their population at most. Which place them on par with Egyptian for example, but slightly below the Roman, the Greek and the Sassanid (around 10%). Before public school became mandatory for all children (in the late/mid-19th century), the society with the highest level of basic literacy was Japan under the reign of the Tokugawa (17th to 19th century) at around 45%. Today, basic literacy in the western world is around 98% with functional literacy (the ability to read complex text) at around 60%. The game changer is not really literacy in itself, but philosophical and scientifically literacy. This allowed a massive drop in religiosity in the last century and the next one seem to continue on this trend.
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21-07-2015, 04:31 PM
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In the U.S. one person in twelve cannot read. This means there are millions out there who cannot read really important messages like "Only Brinks can open safe on these premises" or "Less than $50 in cash register."

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21-07-2015, 04:44 PM
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(21-07-2015 04:31 PM)f stop Wrote:  In the U.S. one person in twelve cannot read. This means there are millions out there who cannot read really important messages like "Only Brinks can open safe on these premises" or "Less than $50 in cash register."

It balances out, though, because these same people can't read, "Do not use hair drier in the shower."

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21-07-2015, 04:51 PM
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(21-07-2015 12:52 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Back in the bad old days when the world's major religions started - there were two groups of people --- those in charge - of government and religion --- and those under the thumb of the first group.

In large part the masses were illiterate and ONLY got their information from the people in charge -- the people who could read and write.... After all - they CAN read and write - so they must be smarter than us dumbasses, right?????
Nobody questioned much - because for the most part - the masses didn't realize that questioning was an option.

Now - with the masses being literate -- it's obviously much harder to control them with religion. After all - if somebody decides they don't agree with the guy in charge - they just run off and start their own church.

So - as more and more groups splinter off -- and become their own little sect/cult/religion --- more and more people are going to realize that all those opposing groups really don't have any advantage over the rest --- and they'll come to the conclusion that it's all pretty meaningless....

Keep in mind - that the religious types have been around for thousands of years -- and are in no hurry to give up the power they hold. It's only been a couple of generations of widespread literacy.

Give it time. Eventually reason will win out over superstition and religious indoctrination.

At least a guy can hope.

'Hope' is a little unscientific for me. As long as there is hope we will never be rid of religion.

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21-07-2015, 05:41 PM
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(21-07-2015 04:51 PM)ArchibaldFunkdust Wrote:  
(21-07-2015 12:52 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Back in the bad old days when the world's major religions started - there were two groups of people --- those in charge - of government and religion --- and those under the thumb of the first group.

In large part the masses were illiterate and ONLY got their information from the people in charge -- the people who could read and write.... After all - they CAN read and write - so they must be smarter than us dumbasses, right?????
Nobody questioned much - because for the most part - the masses didn't realize that questioning was an option.

Now - with the masses being literate -- it's obviously much harder to control them with religion. After all - if somebody decides they don't agree with the guy in charge - they just run off and start their own church.

So - as more and more groups splinter off -- and become their own little sect/cult/religion --- more and more people are going to realize that all those opposing groups really don't have any advantage over the rest --- and they'll come to the conclusion that it's all pretty meaningless....

Keep in mind - that the religious types have been around for thousands of years -- and are in no hurry to give up the power they hold. It's only been a couple of generations of widespread literacy.

Give it time. Eventually reason will win out over superstition and religious indoctrination.

At least a guy can hope.

'Hope' is a little unscientific for me. As long as there is hope we will never be rid of religion.

Archi

We're humans, not Vulcans.

We're allowed a bit of emotionality.

Hope, while unscientific, can be a great motivational force - on par with love or hate.

Religion doesn't have dibs on emotions.

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21-07-2015, 06:39 PM
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When I was a kid, literacy didn't even help. You had to walk to the closest library to get books, and those were usually provided by the church. Of course the priest handpicked the books, ad you were confined to the kids section.

Literacy is useless if you don't have access to info.

Today, we have access to tons of info. And plenty of people reading it, the interwebs are a busy place.

When today's batch of teenagers send their own kids off to their own households, that's when we will see a more drastic change.

Even today, more and more people are at least working up the nerve to check "none" as religion. You'd be totally surprised at the number of closet atheists out there. Like it was with with being gay - the more come out, the more will come out.

That said, there will always be religious nuts. People love woo. The difference is that the majority of the people will see them as religious nuts.

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21-07-2015, 07:03 PM
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(21-07-2015 03:58 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  [Image: Napoleon-religious-quotes.jpg]

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