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18-04-2015, 09:45 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 09:37 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  
(18-04-2015 09:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  Partial quote? You are an ass.

I answered it. Read it again - I suspect it was too subtle for you.

Partial quote? Ha. Gimme a break.

It's like you're a school child with a multiple-answer test who decides to ignore the test itself, and you start drawing all over the paper.

Here, let me re-paste it for you with numbers. Put the numbers in the order that you think is best according to the question.

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Which form of government of these three choices would be held most accountable and would be the most DIFFICULT to corrupt?

#1 Representative democracy
#2 Direct democracy
#3 Constitutional monarchy

In what order would you put them in terms of government accountability?

Why do you think this?






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I never addressed that question because I wasn't interested in addressing that question, so your little temper tantrum is misplaced.

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18-04-2015, 09:50 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 09:45 PM)Chas Wrote:  I never addressed that question because I wasn't interested in addressing that question, so your little temper tantrum is misplaced.

Weird. Because in Post #99, you said you did answer me. (Even though it was a non-answer.)

Look, it's already clear that you can only dive into a thread and throw your rocks from some hiding spot. If you cannot keep up in a conversation, please do not participate in it, as it only makes you look worse.

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18-04-2015, 10:10 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 09:50 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  
(18-04-2015 09:45 PM)Chas Wrote:  I never addressed that question because I wasn't interested in addressing that question, so your little temper tantrum is misplaced.

Weird. Because in Post #99, you said you did answer me. (Even though it was a non-answer.)

Look, it's already clear that you can only dive into a thread and throw your rocks from some hiding spot. If you cannot keep up in a conversation, please do not participate in it, as it only makes you look worse.

Seriously? I essentially said that neither monarchy nor direct democracy was worth considering.

This is your thread about a Catholic monarchy which I have been addressing.
If you can't stay on the subject then maybe you should re-think your participation. Drinking Beverage

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18-04-2015, 10:27 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 08:31 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  ...
Yes. But even if the monarch were to do such a thing, he would be the one performing the evil. He would be the one retaining power. He would be the one using force and shutting down dissent. There would be no questions as to who all is to blame for the realm's problems. The blame for such a scenario would lie squarely on the king. Don't you agree?

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To get back on topic...

Best answer so far... Haffy, post #78

and to extend that, I'd like to point out that a system of direct democracy is built in to the representative system namely three processes:
Incident --> Problem --> Change.

Various forms of 'Service Desk' are in place - emergency services' hotlines, citizens' advice bureaus, general practitioners etc. - where Incident and Request data from the masses is collected and prioritised (Impact x Urgency). Specialist groups (scientists / experts in their field) are engaged to seek root cause (of the problem) and changes are recommended.

This mechanism is the area where new technology (facebook opinion polls etc.) can be inserted to gauge the breadth and depth of opinion where before there was only voting systems (referendum etc.).

This is still open to abuse by lobbyists from a data gathering (incidents / requests) angle but the RCA mechanisms (Root Cause Analysis) will ascertain truth based on reality.

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18-04-2015, 10:31 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 10:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(18-04-2015 09:50 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  Weird. Because in Post #99, you said you did answer me. (Even though it was a non-answer.)

Look, it's already clear that you can only dive into a thread and throw your rocks from some hiding spot. If you cannot keep up in a conversation, please do not participate in it, as it only makes you look worse.

Seriously? I essentially said that neither monarchy nor direct democracy was worth considering.

This is your thread about a Catholic monarchy which I have been addressing.
If you can't stay on the subject then maybe you should re-think your participation. Drinking Beverage

And yet, between those two governments and a representative republic, you cannot tell me which form of government has more accountability. I did not ask you this week if any of these forms of government are worth considering. And though, yes, this conversation can fit underneath the broader discussion of Catholic Monarchy, it is obvious that the conversation has focused on a new sharper tangent this week.

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18-04-2015, 10:40 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 10:31 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  ...
And though, yes, this conversation can fit underneath the broader discussion of Catholic Monarchy, it is obvious that the conversation has focused on a new sharper tangent this week.

Pro-tip... unless you enjoy adding confusion, start a virgin thread rather than resurrecting an old one... less baggage.

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18-04-2015, 10:46 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 10:40 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(18-04-2015 10:31 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  ...
And though, yes, this conversation can fit underneath the broader discussion of Catholic Monarchy, it is obvious that the conversation has focused on a new sharper tangent this week.

Pro-tip... unless you enjoy adding confusion, start a virgin thread rather than resurrecting an old one... less baggage.

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Yeah. I've always liked resurrecting older threads that were related to the topic I was discussing. But I've noticed that folks don't really jump into the most recent posts of a thread. They just gloss over the thread title or the first post and chime in without reading the thread. I've always enjoyed keeping things in a somewhat organized fashion, I guess. But your suggestion is a good one for this forum.

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18-04-2015, 10:50 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 10:46 PM)LaramieHirsch Wrote:  ...
But I've noticed that some folks don't really jump into the most recent posts of a thread. They just gloss over the thread title or the first post and chime in without reading the thread.
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Fixt!

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18-04-2015, 10:56 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
You're talking about me aren't you? Blush
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18-04-2015, 11:08 PM
RE: Why a Catholic Monarchy?
(18-04-2015 10:56 PM)pablo Wrote:  You're talking about me aren't you? Blush

No worries, mate.

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