Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
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22-04-2015, 09:59 PM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(22-04-2015 09:33 PM)The Theist Wrote:  ETA But it wasn't Tellywinkle, it was Telllywelly. My mistake.

Well that changes everything.

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23-04-2015, 10:22 AM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(22-04-2015 08:14 PM)The Theist Wrote:  
(22-04-2015 07:58 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  This is sarcastic right? This has got to be sarcastic.

Of course it is! We wouldn't say anything that questioned or reflected poorly on the almighty science!

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23-04-2015, 11:50 AM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(21-04-2015 03:59 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-04-2015 09:46 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I just thought of an outstandingly strange alternative future where Jesus is still adored an respected as the savior... but that he actually saved us from Religion. And that he did save us from sins by removing the foolish rigid nature of calling plenty of natural human actions sins.

That is actually far closer to The Truth That Is The Word than any christian doctrine.

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05-08-2015, 04:46 PM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2015 05:55 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
and the sound from our resident Christian crickets is ... Crickets

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05-08-2015, 10:08 PM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(05-08-2015 04:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  and the sound from our resident Christian crickets is ... Crickets

That cricket looks more like a rat.

Anyways what more do you want said? Mark covered it fairly well on the first page.

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06-08-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(05-08-2015 10:08 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  
(05-08-2015 04:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  and the sound from our resident Christian crickets is ... Crickets

That cricket looks more like a rat.

Anyways what more do you want said? Mark covered it fairly well on the first page.

He bumped it because it was brought up in a thread of mine.
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06-08-2015, 06:19 AM
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(22-04-2015 06:45 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Where God in this scenario begins to appear as the permissive father, allowing his children to live as they want and choose, and whose role is seemingly absent and unconcerned. He's merely a father who keeps the lights on, and served as our cosmic sperm donor.

As opposed to a god who deeply cares for his children, teaches them right from wrong, gives them the freedom to make their own decisions, and then tortures them for infinity years if they don't swear an oath of fealty to him.

The problem with the Christian God is, no matter how you try and paint him, he always comes off looking pretty bad (unless you resort to only telling half the story).
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06-08-2015, 06:33 AM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
Universality would solve some of the most disturbing and central immoral foundations of Christianity. But how do we get to that from the bible? There lies the rub for literalists and fundamentalists.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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06-08-2015, 06:37 AM
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
Christianity survives by stroking the egos of its congregation into thinking they are special and feeding into their arrogance that what they think somehow matters. God does not give a shit what you think or believe. God will do what God will do and you thinking you can influence God with your beliefs is the height of arrogance and blasphemy.

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06-08-2015, 06:39 AM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2015 07:06 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Why are Christians so opposed to Universal Reconciliation?
(06-08-2015 06:33 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Universality would solve some of the most disturbing and central immoral foundations of Christianity. But how do we get to that from the bible? There lies the rub for literalists and fundamentalists.

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. (Colossians 1-20, KJV)

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:20-22, KJV)

1 Corinthians 15:22, "As all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ"

1 Corinthians 15:28, "God will be all in all"

Lamentations 3:31-33 (NIV), "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love"

1 Timothy 4:10 (NIV), "We have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe."

There are many many more. I'll make a list.

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