Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
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28-07-2012, 03:13 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
I feel certain my friend was baptized before she knew she was in for a horrible marriage to a complete jerk.

I am afraid that if her dad had also been JW she would still be there with the same husband. Luckily she had different view of life through her dad's side.

Sadly, she said the only reason she was able to spend time with her grandmother before she died is because she was so addled that she didn't remember the disfellowship....now tell me, how fucked up is that?

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28-07-2012, 03:15 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
Their doctrine of political neutrality and their refusal to serve in the military or compulsory national service might seem like an organized threat to governmental authority. And yea, though they do not accept blood transfusions of whole blood, they may accept some blood plasma fractions at their own discretion.

They believe that the destruction of the present world system at Armageddon is imminent, and that the establishment of God's kingdom on earth is the only solution for all problems faced by humankind. They consider secular society to be morally corrupt and under the influence of Satan.

Personally, I think they are just a group of humans who have a drastically stunted regard and therefore little respect for, the beauty and excitement of life on this planet. In this way, they're no different than any Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc.,.

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28-07-2012, 03:38 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
Not sure why Atheists as a group would think JDubs are sillier than other religions. But from my own experience, the view of JDubs being so wacky is their departure from "mainstream" Christianity:

Using their own Bible translation with variant texts to stretch their interpretations

Not believing in the Trinity, ie, Jesus is a creature, not God

Before his Incarnation, Jesus was was Michael the Archangel and essentially equal with Lucifer

Forbidding kids to celebrate holidays and birthdays

Not saying the Pledge of Allegiance or Voting in public elections

Blood transfusions

Excessive Proselytizing with Literature

First taught that only 144,000 would be saved, then changed the doctrine to say that 144,000 would be truly "born again" and rule in heaven with Jesus, while all the other Witnesses will just live in the New World

And probably a wheel-barrow load of a lot more silliness. Drinking Beverage

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28-07-2012, 03:43 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 03:10 PM)Runicmadhamster Wrote:  Re posted from a earlier thread

Runicmadhamster Wrote:I have a special kind of contempt for the Jehovah's Witness, i used to be friends with one of them for about 4 years, then they started spouting nonsense along the usual lines "Evolution is only a theory" "Your a atheist huh? What do you say to someone who has just lost a child". Thankfully the rest of my friends, while not actively atheistic like myself were rational logicial sane people and helped me in arrangements with this JW former friend. He also submitted to his parents and never argued back to them or told them what he really thought about them, but he had no trouble telling me that my view was wrong and that i was crazy. I blame this on the JW, they indoctrinated him into not thinking for himself and submitting to authority. Sorry that was a bit of rant.

The JW are nothing more than a controlling abusive cult, that calls interaction with non JW members and thing for yourself satanic

Again, how is that much different from any a lot of christian denomination? I could take your above quotation and substitute literally any religion in where you say "JW". Calling them an abusive cult goes way too far. I've never heard that interaction with no JWs was "satanic". Yeah, a lot of association with people outside of the church in your spare time is somewhat discouraged. But, I don't know anyone who didn't attend public school, say. I know a bunch of JW business owners, whose interaction with non JWs for business isn't considered wrong. My dad runs large commercial construction jobs, as did his father. They are in charge of literally hundreds of people, zero of which are JWs. And my dad introduced me to rock n roll. I have all his old "satanic" vinyl, from The Doors to Zeppelin. The church isn't nearly as restrictive as people seem to believe, in my experience. You may think I had an atypically liberal upbringing in the church, but I don't know anyone who had it any different.

Go watch "Jesus Camp" if you want to see a dangerous and abusive cult. If thats what you think life as a JW is like, you are sorely mistaken.

I never said a lot of what they believe is defensible, I simply wondered what makes them worse in people's eyes than any other religion.

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28-07-2012, 03:48 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 03:00 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  
(28-07-2012 02:22 PM)Chas Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned, the "blood thing" is enough for me to consider them wacky.

Refusing a simple, proven, life-saving medical technique on a veeerrrry stretched interpretation of obscure passages qualifies as wacked.Yes

Its is a pretty wacky belief. There are cases which of death which can be directly attributed to it. But there are actually medical specialist who specifically cater to "bloodless" surgery and trauma care, many of which came from within the church, and they generally do a pretty good job. Compared to say, catholic prohibition of contraceptives, refusing transfusions has directly killed far fewer people. An entire continent struggling with an epidemic, with millions of deaths each year vs. a few deaths related to blood loss. Or perhaps death for blasphemy. Thats pretty wacky too.

And how about the JWs prohibition of smoking in their membership? How many people does that shit kill every year? Or war? JWs are prohibited from military service, so none of them have ever died in battle or taken life in one either.

So yeah, a stupid belief to be sure, but every religion has a least one stupid belief that kills its members in an entirely preventable way. JWs respect life more than a lot of others, I''d say.

My position is not they are crazier than others, just that they are crazy. However, their craziness is directly life threatening.

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28-07-2012, 04:16 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 03:38 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Not sure why Atheists as a group would think JDubs are sillier than other religions. But from my own experience, the view of JDubs being so wacky is their departure from "mainstream" Christianity:

Using their own Bible translation with variant texts to stretch their interpretations

Not believing in the Trinity, ie, Jesus is a creature, not God

Before his Incarnation, Jesus was was Michael the Archangel and essentially equal with Lucifer

Forbidding kids to celebrate holidays and birthdays

Not saying the Pledge of Allegiance or Voting in public elections

Blood transfusions

Excessive Proselytizing with Literature

First taught that only 144,000 would be saved, then changed the doctrine to say that 144,000 would be truly "born again" and rule in heaven with Jesus, while all the other Witnesses will just live in the New World

And probably a wheel-barrow load of a lot more silliness. Drinking Beverage

I find it interesting that you would call a lot of those things silliness when they are precisely a lot of the things that mainstream Christianity is taken to task for by a lot of atheists.

-I don't know how many things I've read or watched about trinitarian belief being contradicted by scripture, and the history of the trinity stemming from other religions.

-Nowhere in scripture is Satan said to be anything other than an angel. Almost all ideas of the devil are creations of the early church and have nothing to do with the bible.

-Atheists mock christians for not knowing the origins of the Christmas as a completely non-christian celebration, but you think its silly that JWs do know these things and choose not to celebrate it as it has nothing to do with Jesus?

-Atheism is increasingly reactionary against the power of religion in the political arena, yet its found strange when a group refuses to engage in politics in any way, as they were instructed to do by Jesus.

-Proselytizing is a central tenant of Jesus teachings.

-The rejection of the concept of hell avoids a lot of contradictions found in the majority of christian doctrine. A corporeal hope for the afterlife makes much more sense in light of the origin stories of the bible.

So yeah, they deviate from a lot of mainstream christianity, but not in an illogical or wacky manner.

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28-07-2012, 04:18 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 03:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(28-07-2012 03:00 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  Its is a pretty wacky belief. There are cases which of death which can be directly attributed to it. But there are actually medical specialist who specifically cater to "bloodless" surgery and trauma care, many of which came from within the church, and they generally do a pretty good job. Compared to say, catholic prohibition of contraceptives, refusing transfusions has directly killed far fewer people. An entire continent struggling with an epidemic, with millions of deaths each year vs. a few deaths related to blood loss. Or perhaps death for blasphemy. Thats pretty wacky too.

And how about the JWs prohibition of smoking in their membership? How many people does that shit kill every year? Or war? JWs are prohibited from military service, so none of them have ever died in battle or taken life in one either.

So yeah, a stupid belief to be sure, but every religion has a least one stupid belief that kills its members in an entirely preventable way. JWs respect life more than a lot of others, I''d say.

My position is not they are crazier than others, just that they are crazy. However, their craziness is directly life threatening.

ALL religious teaching is directly life threatening Smile

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28-07-2012, 04:51 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
Just that they're more visible. Not many westerners have *not* had a JW knock on the door. Also they're quite persistent. Couldn't give two shits about what you believe myself, but if you insist on shoving in my face then I'm gonna have a problem. Since they make it a central part of their religion to do so... screw them.

You can look at it that it's not really wrong and it's part of their beliefs and so on, but just like a telemarketer, I'm not even interested in receiving one stupid phone call advertising afterlife products. Mind you, it's not really more trouble than telling every other crazy person who comes to my door to shove it... so I guess maybe I'm just a grumpy fuck who doesn't appreciate nice people trying to save me from damnation Big Grin
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28-07-2012, 05:06 PM
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(28-07-2012 04:51 PM)morondog Wrote:  Just that they're more visible. Not many westerners have *not* had a JW knock on the door. Also they're quite persistent. Couldn't give two shits about what you believe myself, but if you insist on shoving in my face then I'm gonna have a problem. Since they make it a central part of their religion to do so... screw them.

You can look at it that it's not really wrong and it's part of their beliefs and so on, but just like a telemarketer, I'm not even interested in receiving one stupid phone call advertising afterlife products. Mind you, it's not really more trouble than telling every other crazy person who comes to my door to shove it... so I guess maybe I'm just a grumpy fuck who doesn't appreciate nice people trying to save me from damnation Big Grin

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28-07-2012, 05:20 PM
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(28-07-2012 04:51 PM)morondog Wrote:  Just that they're more visible. Not many westerners have *not* had a JW knock on the door. Also they're quite persistent. Couldn't give two shits about what you believe myself, but if you insist on shoving in my face then I'm gonna have a problem. Since they make it a central part of their religion to do so... screw them.

You can look at it that it's not really wrong and it's part of their beliefs and so on, but just like a telemarketer, I'm not even interested in receiving one stupid phone call advertising afterlife products. Mind you, it's not really more trouble than telling every other crazy person who comes to my door to shove it... so I guess maybe I'm just a grumpy fuck who doesn't appreciate nice people trying to save me from damnation Big Grin

I may be a bit biased, whenever someone I know say something like "Yeah, some JW came to my house this morning so I told them to FUCK OFF! and slammed the door in their face" I'm like, dude, that could have been my grandma. My grandma is awesome. You're an asshole. I always tell people that there is no call for being rude to them, they're people just like you, and don't deserve abuse for doing what they think is right. Being annoyed is no reason to abuse someone.

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