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28-07-2012, 12:10 PM
Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
I often hear terms like "crazy" and "cult" bandied about when the topic of JWs is brought up, and its always bothered me somewhat. Though I am an atheist now, I was brought up as a Witness, 4th generation in my family. Nearly every member of my family is or was one, and for the most part they are all happy and well adjusted people, as is essentially everyone I know from the church. Even my business partner is one. Two of my parents are university educated. None of them are crazy, or stupid.

I'm just curious as to why they are seen as crazier, more cultish, or more dangerous than other christian denominations. I suppose they are somewhat more xenophobic than others, and the whole blood transfusion thing is reprehensible, but the majority of their doctrine is no weirder than any other, and in some cases makes much more sense.

I'm not trying to defend their doctrines per se, anymore than I would defend the beliefs of any christian. But I cannot see why they are seen as more dangerous than other churches. Their indoctrination is no more severe, and they are generally much more benign.

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28-07-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 12:10 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  I often hear terms like "crazy" and "cult" bandied about when the topic of JWs is brought up, and its always bothered me somewhat. Though I am an atheist now, I was brought up as a Witness, 4th generation in my family. Nearly every member of my family is or was one, and for the most part they are all happy and well adjusted people, as is essentially everyone I know from the church. Even my business partner is one. Two of my parents are university educated. None of them are crazy, or stupid.

I'm just curious as to why they are seen as crazier, more cultish, or more dangerous than other christian denominations. I suppose they are somewhat more xenophobic than others, and the whole blood transfusion thing is reprehensible, but the majority of their doctrine is no weirder than any other, and in some cases makes much more sense.

I'm not trying to defend their doctrines per se, anymore than I would defend the beliefs of any christian. But I cannot see why they are seen as more dangerous than other churches. Their indoctrination is no more severe, and they are generally much more benign.
I think its because they annoy the fuck out of us while we are at home and they come a knocking

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28-07-2012, 12:26 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
Lol, yeah I can see that. Proselytizing is fairly central to the teachings of Jesus though. They're no worse than telemarketer. And JWs also have a "do not call" list. Just request that they don't call in the future.

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28-07-2012, 12:29 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 12:26 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  Lol, yeah I can see that. Proselytizing is fairly central to the teachings of Jesus though. They're no worse than telemarketer. And JWs also have a "do not call" list. Just request that they don't call in the future.

Yeah, I know, but there is always that tradition when you get your first house, the next milestone is getting your first JW.

I don't consider them crazy, just annoying and delusional...

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28-07-2012, 12:30 PM
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
(28-07-2012 12:10 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  I think its because they annoy the fuck out of us while we are at home and they come a knocking

^^ I think the whole in your face potion of it makes other people uncomfortable, and so because they are uncomfortable they find a reason to attack it. Just an opinion though.

FWIW I have probably said the same thing in the past out of annoyance, but from a calm rational perspective I only think JWs are equally as crazy as all other religious people, which is very. Wink
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28-07-2012, 01:20 PM
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A good friend was JW, married to a JW and he was an abusive ass. And from what she said, dismal as husband in all ways. She had to finally get the courage to leave him...in the process having to leave her daughter too. She went through awful stuff to break from that religion and finally did after a few years was able to get her daughter back after the poor kid suffered due to poor treatment from her father and stepmother and her kids.

She was publicly disfellowed and cut off from family because she was tired of being abused, and tired of being put down for her desire for more education.

Now the daughter is not contacted by the father because she left the faith. And he doesn't think she should bother with college, she doesn't "need" it. Sure, smart girl out of high school nearly a year early...let her answer phones somewhere, or serve fast food...she doesn't need education.

Sorry...if you belong to a group that uses public shaming and separation of family from other family...you are dealing with bunch of nuts that will choose their cult over their own flesh and blood.

And the knocking on my door pisses me off too...what do you suppose would happen if I started going door to door to try to deconvert the religious?

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28-07-2012, 02:22 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the "blood thing" is enough for me to consider them wacky.

Refusing a simple, proven, life-saving medical technique on a veeerrrry stretched interpretation of obscure passages qualifies as wacked.Yes

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28-07-2012, 02:43 PM
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(28-07-2012 12:17 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(28-07-2012 12:10 PM)Pavlovs_Ape Wrote:  I often hear terms like "crazy" and "cult" bandied about when the topic of JWs is brought up, and its always bothered me somewhat. Though I am an atheist now, I was brought up as a Witness, 4th generation in my family. Nearly every member of my family is or was one, and for the most part they are all happy and well adjusted people, as is essentially everyone I know from the church. Even my business partner is one. Two of my parents are university educated. None of them are crazy, or stupid.

I'm just curious as to why they are seen as crazier, more cultish, or more dangerous than other christian denominations. I suppose they are somewhat more xenophobic than others, and the whole blood transfusion thing is reprehensible, but the majority of their doctrine is no weirder than any other, and in some cases makes much more sense.

I'm not trying to defend their doctrines per se, anymore than I would defend the beliefs of any christian. But I cannot see why they are seen as more dangerous than other churches. Their indoctrination is no more severe, and they are generally much more benign.
I think its because they annoy the fuck out of us while we are at home and they come a knocking

(28-07-2012 01:20 PM)Anjele Wrote:  A good friend was JW, married to a JW and he was an abusive ass. And from what she said, dismal as husband in all ways. She had to finally get the courage to leave him...in the process having to leave her daughter too. She went through awful stuff to break from that religion and finally did after a few years was able to get her daughter back after the poor kid suffered due to poor treatment from her father and stepmother and her kids.

She was publicly disfellowed and cut off from family because she was tired of being abused, and tired of being put down for her desire for more education.

Now the daughter is not contacted by the father because she left the faith. And he doesn't think she should bother with college, she doesn't "need" it. Sure, smart girl out of high school nearly a year early...let her answer phones somewhere, or serve fast food...she doesn't need education.

Sorry...if you belong to a group that uses public shaming and separation of family from other family...you are dealing with bunch of nuts that will choose their cult over their own flesh and blood.

And the knocking on my door pisses me off too...what do you suppose would happen if I started going door to door to try to deconvert the religious?

Bottom line her husband is an ass, and sounds like he would be a dick regardless of his religion. There will be assholes is any religion. JWs in my experience really look down upon spousal abuse. Any man who mistreats his spouse is much more likely to get in trouble from the elders than she is. Same goes for mistreatment of children.

Disfellowshipping is frigging harsh, I agree with that. At the same time though, only baptized members of the church can be disfellowshipped, and becoming baptized requires a conscientious choice to commit to the church for life, including study, consultation, and testing. Members who are found not to be ready to take that step are not baptized, even if they really want to be. They know what they are gettting into, and the consequences of that decision. I personally don't think that anyone should be considered for baptism before they are an adult, but the youngest I remember were like 14 or 15 I think. And members are given multiple chances before that extreme action is taken. Its not like one strike you're out. And cutting off of family ties is not strictly a tenant of disfellowship either. Family is one of the few exceptions to the rules regarding association. Along with association necessary for conducting business and such I believe. You're supposed to be able to maintain contact with family so they can encourage your return to the church.

There is also no prohibition against secondary education within the church, strictly speaking. It is often seen as unnecessary, but there are no rules against it. Its a personal decision people are allowed to make. There are all manner of professional people in the church, doctors, lawyers, you name it. My mom is an RN.

There are similar stories to the one you brought up from every religion, just look into atheist coming out stories, and you will find shaming and family cutting ties is definitely not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. All religions attempt to protect their members from what they see as apostate ideas. I find it despicable in all cases that people would chose their faith over their family, but to say its more prevalent in JWs than other denominations is fallacious, I believe.

I personally think it would be hilarious, and not a bad idea at all really, to have an atheist proselytizing campaign. We could print up tracts about the facts of evolution, facts of cosmology, counter apologetics, etc. Its basically the same principle groups like the JWs or Mormons employ. Sure you're going to be shut down 90% of the time, but there will always be people receptive to the message that just have never heard it before. Do you have the guts and conviction to go door to door spreading the message though?

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28-07-2012, 03:00 PM
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(28-07-2012 02:22 PM)Chas Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned, the "blood thing" is enough for me to consider them wacky.

Refusing a simple, proven, life-saving medical technique on a veeerrrry stretched interpretation of obscure passages qualifies as wacked.Yes

Its is a pretty wacky belief. There are cases which of death which can be directly attributed to it. But there are actually medical specialist who specifically cater to "bloodless" surgery and trauma care, many of which came from within the church, and they generally do a pretty good job. Compared to say, catholic prohibition of contraceptives, refusing transfusions has directly killed far fewer people. An entire continent struggling with an epidemic, with millions of deaths each year vs. a few deaths related to blood loss. Or perhaps death for blasphemy. Thats pretty wacky too.

And how about the JWs prohibition of smoking in their membership? How many people does that shit kill every year? Or war? JWs are prohibited from military service, so none of them have ever died in battle or taken life in one either.

So yeah, a stupid belief to be sure, but every religion has a least one stupid belief that kills its members in an entirely preventable way. JWs respect life more than a lot of others, I''d say.

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28-07-2012, 03:10 PM (This post was last modified: 28-07-2012 03:33 PM by Runicmadhamster.)
RE: Why are Jehovah's Witness seen as crazier than other Christian denominations?
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Runicmadhamster Wrote:I have a special kind of contempt for the Jehovah's Witness, i used to be friends with one of them for about 4 years, then they started spouting nonsense along the usual lines "Evolution is only a theory" "Your a atheist huh? What do you say to someone who has just lost a child". Thankfully the rest of my friends, while not actively atheistic like myself were rational logicial sane people and helped me in arrangements with this JW former friend. He also submitted to his parents and never argued back to them or told them what he really thought about them, but he had no trouble telling me that my view was wrong and that i was crazy. I blame this on the JW, they indoctrinated him into not thinking for himself and submitting to authority. Sorry that was a bit of rant.

The JW are nothing more than a controlling abusive cult, that calls interaction with non JW members and thinking for yourself satanic

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