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09-04-2012, 11:21 AM
Why are the working class so "witless"
There is a man called "chunkymark" who I admire and I follow his videos everyday on youtube. A lot of what he says resonates with me deeply.

Todays video kind of sums up a lot of questions I have asked myself over the last few years.... and I suppose this thread is kind of a follow up to my "why I think politics is bullshit and pointless".

Well firstly here is the video





Mark says in the video that he doesnt actually think that everybody is "stupid" or "witless" and I do agree with him because of all the people I know deep down we all want to live in a better world..... A decent and caring world...... but like he says most people dont have time for this kind of thinking.

So does this mean that the majority of people could just be classed as drones..... who simply work to exist and who put faith into the goverment to do right by them???

To sum up what I think of the driving force behind the world.... the economy.... I think its all just a ponzi scheme. So when the financial crash happened and now everybody is being forced to "pay" for it..... It just makes me sick.

It makes me sick to think that people dont even begin to question why or how it happened...... that they dont have a voice nor any powers on how there world is shaped. In the past I have had people say to me "Chris, things will never change, its pointless" and that makes me even more sick and sad. That these people for whatever reason are just so accepting of this and who actually think this is true, that things cant and wont change when obv in reality there is nothing stopping this world from being a potential paradise.... its just that the correct and fair system hasnt been put into place yet.

These people with a wish for better who are so downtrodden that they just accept it as "normal"...... who have no scope for the world to be a better place because lets face it...... There is no real democracy for everybody...... there is no voice for the common people and the needs of the "whole"....... that they just accept the "scraps" thrown down to them from the big people at the top who strive to destroy this world for something we call "money".

It really is just fucking mad....... that this world is being destroyed and that people die for paper and coins........ when in reality the monetary system isnt "natural" and its only power is what we as a colective give it. Its nothing...... its just more "faith".

The vast majority of "working class" go through state education and what is it..... this education and what purpose does it serve????

Is it just a means of making people "civilised" to an acceptable degree..... teaching people biased history and giving people tools that they more than likely will never use when they leave the education system..... is it the first stepping stone of dumbing down people and moulding them into "acceptable" drones????

Is it this lack of true and open democracy that just smashes the will and dreams out of people??? That people inherently know that politicians are lying and decieving people that probably start out with good intentions but who get sucked into the capitalistic system and become slaves themselves???? That these people can see what damage is being done to the world yet who feel that there is nothing they can do except pin there dreams and hopes on bullshit elections that come around every few years..... that have never and will never change anything for the greater good???

How do the majority get so divided???? is it really all down to the biased media that gives fragmented reasoning on why the world is the way it is???? Blaming immigration that was passed by TPTB themselves as just one of many examples.

Are the vast majority brainwashed........ and if you agree with that statement then how fucking scarey is that. No

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09-04-2012, 05:14 PM
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09-04-2012, 06:26 PM
RE: Why are the working class so "witless"
Yeah, pretty much.

The ruling classes don't become rulers by accident, and don't remain rulers by sitting back and letting a functional democracy drift inevitably toward socialism. A whole lot of thought and effort and evil - and a good deal of collusion from middle class professionals who will do whatever it takes to win a last-to-be-eaten label - go into the destruction of a free, informed, aware and critical citizenry.

There is nothing you can do about it now: if you fight, you'll only be hurt.... probably by someone who ought to be your ally.
The rifts have been dug too deep; the minds have been warped too much; the agencies of government and communication have been so corrupted; so much irreparable damage has already been done, that the system is beyond saving. You'll have to wait till it collapses (They all do! Read history: it's cyclic.) and build a new one.

Your bast chance is to prepare for that.

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09-04-2012, 06:42 PM
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(09-04-2012 06:26 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  Yeah, pretty much.

The ruling classes don't become rulers by accident, and don't remain rulers by sitting back and letting a functional democracy drift inevitably toward socialism. A whole lot of thought and effort and evil - and a good deal of collusion from middle class professionals who will do whatever it takes to win a last-to-be-eaten label - go into the destruction of a free, informed, aware and critical citizenry.

There is nothing you can do about it now: if you fight, you'll only be hurt.... probably by someone who ought to be your ally.
The rifts have been dug too deep; the minds have been warped too much; the agencies of government and communication have been so corrupted; so much irreparable damage has already been done, that the system is beyond saving. You'll have to wait till it collapses (They all do! Read history: it's cyclic.) and build a new one.

Your bast chance is to prepare for that.
Politicians barely have any control, and are simply puppets used by the economic powerhouses in most westernized countries. Because of this system, it is eerily similar to the Roman Equites vs. Vulgus scenario which occurred in the early stages of the Roman Republic/Empire. It is reassuring, in a way, that the scenario happened so early in the empire. Perhaps the U.S is not necessarily over. Yet.

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09-04-2012, 06:42 PM
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To be honest I think most of this stuff belongs in the conspiracy theories section.

If you want to move a country closer to democracy you have to accept that it will make it far more divided and far less stable. It will also not help the levels of morality.

You can move the country away from democracy and, provided you have a leader who will truly be as moral as possible, make it more moral. Only downside is that the country will most likely end up in a weaker position and the leader who is trying to do right will be incredibly unpopular.

I'll point out a co-incidence for you. Politicians care about votes and popularity first and foremost, as is right. After all, there's no point doing loads of good if it loses you the next election to someone who will reverse it. So considering politicians care most about popularity why don't they act in a more moral way if morality is so popular? Maybe the current system doesn't actually reward morality with popularity. In fact, maybe the current system rewards a more flexible moral compass.

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09-04-2012, 06:59 PM
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(09-04-2012 06:26 PM)Peterkin Wrote:  Yeah, pretty much.

The ruling classes don't become rulers by accident, and don't remain rulers by sitting back and letting a functional democracy drift inevitably toward socialism. A whole lot of thought and effort and evil - and a good deal of collusion from middle class professionals who will do whatever it takes to win a last-to-be-eaten label - go into the destruction of a free, informed, aware and critical citizenry.

There is nothing you can do about it now: if you fight, you'll only be hurt.... probably by someone who ought to be your ally.
The rifts have been dug too deep; the minds have been warped too much; the agencies of government and communication have been so corrupted; so much irreparable damage has already been done, that the system is beyond saving. You'll have to wait till it collapses (They all do! Read history: it's cyclic.) and build a new one.

Your bast chance is to prepare for that.
My sentiments exactly!!! It's a sad state of affairs Sad

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09-04-2012, 07:48 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2012 08:04 PM by Peterkin.)
RE: Why are the working class so "witless"
(09-04-2012 06:42 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  To be honest I think most of this stuff belongs in the conspiracy theories section.

A conspiracy is secretive. This shit is going down right in the open, and broadcast by the evening news (with only minor elisions, amendment, attributions and deletions) You are told exactly what's happening, who is doing it and how - then you're told a transparently improbable reason for why, and you swallow it whole, coz it tastes soooo yummy.

Quote: If you want to move a country closer to democracy you have to accept that it will make it far more divided and far less stable. It will also not help the levels of morality.

Why's that, then? How does the mechanism work? Where did you learn this? Have you observed and can you cite a correlation between, say voter turnout and the incidence of theft? Or between a clean, issue-based election campaign and racial conflict?

Quote: You can move the country away from democracy and, provided you have a leader who will truly be as moral as possible, make it more moral. Only downside is that the country will most likely end up in a weaker position and the leader who is trying to do right will be incredibly unpopular.

Wha...? Why the... er... dickens would a moral leader be anti-democratic? Or weak? Or unpopular? Maybe you've just never seen one and think they would be a figment?

Quote:I'll point out a co-incidence for you. Politicians care about votes and popularity first and foremost, as is right. After all, there's no point doing loads of good if it loses you the next election to someone who will reverse it. So considering politicians care most about popularity why don't they act in a more moral way if morality is so popular? Maybe the current system doesn't actually reward morality with popularity. In fact, maybe the current system rewards a more flexible moral compass.

Of course it does. If by 'flexible' you mean wholly owned by whoever put up the money for all the publicity that makes him popular. There's no coincidence there; it's a longish cause-and-effect chain.

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09-04-2012, 08:00 PM
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Peterkin Wrote:Why's that, then? How does the mechanism work? Where did you learn this? Have you observed and can you cite a correlation between, say voter turnout and the incidence of theft? Or between a clean, issue-based election campaign and racial conflict?

Because the average person doesn't seem to think about consequences. If you actually did what people want with no regard for viability the best you could hope for is to bankrupt the country. Besides, the general population seem to change their minds at the drop of the hat, it hardly makes for a stable Government.

Plus, I still don't understand why anyone would wanna put the running of the country in the hands of a bunch of people who the majority of clearly have no idea of how to run a country.

Peterkin Wrote:Wha...? Why the... er... dickens would a moral leader be anti-democratic? Or weak? Or unpopular? Maybe you've just never seen one and think they would be a figment?

Because what is good for the country and what is popular rarely overlap in my experience. If you had a democratically elected leader who did what was moral at the expense of what was popular he'd simply lose the next election.

The only way he would hang around long enough to make a difference would be if he wasn't accountable to elections.

There's also the uncomfortable hit that all Western nations are screwing over smaller countries. If one turns round and opts out of that then not only do they lose a shit-load of money but their market rivals step in and take over the role. The result? The world isn't a better place but your country has far less money whilst your competitors have more.

Peterkin Wrote:Of course it does. If by 'flexible' you mean wholly owned by whoever put up the money for all the publicity that makes him popular. There's no coincidence there; it's a longish cause-and-effect chain.

I don't agree that money is a politicians main motivator. I think it's votes and popularity. And can you blame them? If they don't go for votes then they will be out of the picture altogether.

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09-04-2012, 08:00 PM (This post was last modified: 09-04-2012 08:07 PM by Peterkin.)
RE: Why are the working class so "witless"
See what i mean?

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10-04-2012, 12:30 AM
RE: Why are the working class so "witless"
If you ask me, I think the problem is that we humans think we're alone in this world, the Avatar movie showed this quite well, the Na'vi were all connected with each other, with their environment and with their ancestors, we don't have that level of connection, and thus, we act egoistically, we even believe that a resource management system based on competition and self profit is the best!! it's a global version of the hunger games, kill each other and who's left will be rich, but instead of just 24 kids it's the whole world, well, when only one is left that won't be nice for the survival of the species.
It's not the politicians, it's not the rich people, we all are in some measure guilty of reproducing a system that is bad for ourselves. Think of sexism as an example of this, it's not the male population and it's not the women either, it's everyone who's guilty of imposing that binary "strong-weak" concept of gender.

How do we change it? it's not going to be easy, we need to convince ourselves that we're together in this world and we have to convince everyone of that fact, after that we have to work out some system so everyone behaves in his/her own benefit and in everyone else's benefit, that way we may find a way to prevent abuses and promote an even share for everyone with solidarity instead of selfishness. It shouldn't matter who works harder and who's a lazy ass, because working hard is inefficient and not working at all is useless, we must find someway to share the load of work as fairly as possible, that way distributing things won't be "morally wrong" (for some reason being generous has become something bad)

Some feminist movements calculate that at the rate gender equality is progressing the struggle for real equality will end in around 300 years. So if we want to fix the whole world, then we should be thinking of starting now and hoping for a "battle" of several centuries for things to start looking bright

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