Why aren't children treated like Adults?
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20-03-2012, 11:05 AM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
actually when people ask me about child education (some friends know that I this used to be my profession) etc I do often redommend to watch a few episodes of super nanny, she does a great job! At least I recommend it if someone is embarrassed by having someone come by for real to help, which I would gladly do, I like helping, especially when I know what I am doing.

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20-03-2012, 12:00 PM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 05:05 AM)TheArcticSage Wrote:  People don't spank adults, they punch them.
Are we talking about adults competing in combat sports like boxing, kick boxing, MMA etc?

Most adults resolve their differences in non violent ways. Those that resort to violence tend to face the consequences of the law.

If you have anger issues, I would seriously suggest seeking some help, especially if you find yourself taking out your anger on your partner or children. They aren't punching bags.
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20-03-2012, 01:06 PM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2012 01:11 PM by TheArcticSage.)
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 09:24 AM)Eternal Wrote:  TAS

I just noticed that super nanny or whatever it is called was mentioned by you. Do you think she gets results? Have you ever seen her once spank a child, or suggest to a parent they should do so? Not that you would pay any attention, after all she specialises in child behaviour which you don't agree with.

I must agree though, when a person dedicates their working life (sometimes more) to the pursuit of knowledge in a single field then they can have nothing of interest to tell us. What is the point in listening. After all they have probably observed way more than us, taken part in tests, read extensively and gained years of practical experience through trial and error. Yet this does not amount to anything when compared to your observations made whilst cashiering. (Sarcasm. I'm not sure why but i felt the need to point out the sarcasm.)

I never mentioned the super nanny, nor would I ever base myself off a damn reality T.V. show, because that's just what it is, it's a T.V. show. I suppose I should take the example of Child Superstar parents to make my children superstars? Leela that doesn't help your argument, me and my brothers were all spanked, none of us have ever been in jail before, and the only thing you could count as getting in trouble with the law is when my middle brother egged a nearby house.

And spanking does not equal abuse, like I said, it's just a little sting. How do I know? Because I've been spanked before when I was young and it was more humiliating than it was painful. And no, just because I was humiliated does not mean I go around humiliating others. I told you, it's all about discipline.
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20-03-2012, 01:15 PM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2012 01:22 PM by Vipa.)
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 01:06 PM)TheArcticSage Wrote:  And spanking does not equal abuse, like I said, it's just a little sting. How do I know? Because I've been spanked before when I was young and it was more humiliating than it was painful. And no, just because I was humiliated does not mean I go around humiliating others. I told you, it's all about discipline.

Wrong you just stated that you would humiliate your children by spanking
The fun part is you didn't even need a whole post to solidify my statement (only 2 sentences actually xP) and you didn't notice at all...
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20-03-2012, 01:21 PM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 01:15 PM)Vipa Wrote:  
(20-03-2012 01:06 PM)TheArcticSage Wrote:  And spanking does not equal abuse, like I said, it's just a little sting. How do I know? Because I've been spanked before when I was young and it was more humiliating than it was painful. And no, just because I was humiliated does not mean I go around humiliating others. I told you, it's all about discipline.

Wrong you just stated that you would humiliate your children by spanking
The fun part is you didn't even need a whole post to solidify my statement (only 2 sentences actually xP) and you didn't even notice
Hmmmm, interested to see how one digs one's self out of this hole.
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20-03-2012, 01:37 PM
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Holy shit, I am half way reading this thread and am furious. I'm beginning to think you're a troll TAS. This thread has gone too far. Read up on spanking and research. Spanking is related from zero to negative effect on the human psychosis (and do you even know WHY there are psychologists? Because we have that psychosis that exists, psychology is a real thing. ). In fact spanking, especially under certain circumstance, has shown the opposite of maturity but instead encourages a violent tendency.

Treat children as adults by respecting them and teaching proper methods. Bet us adults haven't learned and gained every skill for our jobs through being spanked. Doesn't even make sense! Teach trust, not fear Sad. You were spanked and turned out fine? Are you sure you are fine?
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20-03-2012, 01:41 PM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2012 01:44 PM by nach_in.)
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
Every time I see a conversation like this I notice there's a gigantic semantic barrier between each side, those who say a spanking is needed talk about extremely misbehaved kids and not abusive spanks (lets be honest here, there are different degrees of physical punishments) and those who are against it talk about minor mistakes and violent attack on the children.

If we can manage to get in the same page about that I think this kind of debates can have a future, otherwise it will turn in self-righteous ramblings from both sides.

I got spanked twice in my life, once I was ranting like TAS described in a previous post, not in public and not that violently but it was quite near, my dad took me to my room and hit me in the butt with the tip of his belt (not the buckle) as I can remember, it didn't hurt, but I was so scared I cried like a little baby, in retrospective I think it was the right thing to do, it wasn't abusive, later that day when I calmed down my parents explained me why they did it and that they didn't liked to do it, I understood them.
The other time it was in public, I was screaming that I wanted some toy, my dad pulled the hair in the back of my neck so I would shut up, it worked wonders, I never did anything like that again in my life.

I didn't came up violent because of that, but I had a violent stage between 10 and 13 or 14, caused mainly because I was bullied by my classmates and the teachers never did shit to stop them from hitting me, when I started to hit back the parents of said children came to me and rebuked me for hitting their precious kids, they said they didn't do that and therefore I didn't have the right to do it either, at that age I answered them always the same "if they don't find parents at home, they'll find it elsewhere"

I'll repeat this, every kid is a cosmos, some are smart and some are dumb, some are disciplined some are a chaotic. If as a parent you find that your child doesn't understand words, then maybe a spanking is necessary, I don't think that saying every single case of physical punishment is wrong and abusive is correct.
We say we're animals after all and our brains are bound to our animal natures and I agree, but that also means that when a positive reinforcement of good behaviour is not enough then a negative reinforcement may do the trick. Not for every kid, not for every situation, and always in a controlled and reasonable way, and in specific situations to send a clear message.

Btw, we can't say that kids learn the same things we do to them exactly as we do it, humans have abstract thinking, even when we are young, so children can make the connection between a conduct and a punishment without thinking every conduct requires the same consequence, it's better if the parent explain to them that connection to avoid possible confusions though.

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20-03-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
nach_in. I think TAS largely gets the responses he gets because of his attitude rather than the subject. If his initial post had been in the same vain as yours (not arrogant and insulting) above then I would have responded in the same vain.

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20-03-2012, 02:26 PM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 02:04 PM)Eternal Wrote:  nach_in. I think TAS largely gets the responses he gets because of his attitude rather than the subject. If his initial post had been in the same vain as yours (not arrogant and insulting) above then I would have responded in the same vain.

I know, I try to stay on the subject so I don't fall in the same attitude I don't like. English not being my first language makes it easier though, I don't get the tone of the posts as easy as you may, so I can choose to read it in a nicer tone Tongue

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20-03-2012, 02:27 PM
RE: Why aren't children treated like Adults?
(20-03-2012 01:37 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  Holy shit, I am half way reading this thread and am furious. I'm beginning to think you're a troll TAS. This thread has gone too far. Read up on spanking and research. Spanking is related from zero to negative effect on the human psychosis (and do you even know WHY there are psychologists? Because we have that psychosis that exists, psychology is a real thing. ). In fact spanking, especially under certain circumstance, has shown the opposite of maturity but instead encourages a violent tendency.

Treat children as adults by respecting them and teaching proper methods. Bet us adults haven't learned and gained every skill for our jobs through being spanked. Doesn't even make sense! Teach trust, not fear Sad. You were spanked and turned out fine? Are you sure you are fine?

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Yes, it would humiliate them, teaching them humility and discipline, it's not teaching them to humiliate others, rather the kids who don't get spanked figure they can get away with everything and are the ones humiliating others. We often call these kids bullies. (example Nach_in's childhood story) if by violent tendency you mean righteous sensibility and self defense, isn't that a good thing?

I'm going to use the dogs my parents own, they had two dogs who never obeyed them. They were young and still weren't trained to go to the bathroom outside, a few swats on the rear end solved that problem pretty quickly. My parents never swatted the dogs and they hardly ever listen to them. I swatted the dogs, and they always listen to me.
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