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03-03-2016, 10:27 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
(03-03-2016 10:24 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 10:21 AM)rosieisaposie Wrote:  Plants are alive, but they are not sentient. It has never been proven that plants have any type of nervous system to conduct sensations like pain. Also, it's probably important to note that there is a difference between nociception and a painful stimulus.

Nociception: the encoding and processing of harmful stimuli in the nervous system, and, therefore, the ability of a body to sense potential harm. But not necessarily indicating the perception of pain.

Pain: Pain is an unpleasant feeling that is conveyed to the brain by sensory neurons. The discomfort signals actual or potential injury to the body. However, pain is more than a sensation, or the physical awareness of pain; it also includes perception, the subjective interpretation of the discomfort. Perception gives information on the pain's location, intensity, and something about its nature. The various conscious and unconscious responses to both sensation and perception, including the emotional response, add further definition to the overall concept of pain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgt2erL42No

Doesnt matter

Just because it doesnt experience stimulus like us doesnt change that its a living creature and shares the planet with us. We have no right to end its life for that reason, and its really very sad that you'd look down on something and think its okay to kill it because it doesnt feel things the same as you do.

Who are you to decide what deserves to live and die?


Again,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgt2erL42No
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03-03-2016, 10:27 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
You dont get to claim moral superiority just because you end only certain kinds of life. Come back with this argument when you have food that was never alive in any state.
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03-03-2016, 10:31 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
(03-03-2016 10:21 AM)rosieisaposie Wrote:  Plants are alive, but they are not sentient. It has never been proven that plants have any type of nervous system to conduct sensations like pain.

Um.. there's a couple of problems with this.

On the one hand.. there's no science about it 'Yet'. meaning people are still researching exactly what it is and isn't that plants do and do-not.

Come another decade, maybe we will find some pathways/feedback loops for plants 'feeling' things.

The second thing is... If one then instantly destroys an animal's brain and hence it's pain receiving areas then... it doesn't feel pain either....

So.. it's like then processing a harvested plant, no?

(03-03-2016 10:21 AM)rosieisaposie Wrote:  Also, it's probably important to note that there is a difference between nociception and a painful stimulus.

Nociception: the encoding and processing of harmful stimuli in the nervous system, and, therefore, the ability of a body to sense potential harm. But not necessarily indicating the perception of pain.

Pain: Pain is an unpleasant feeling that is conveyed to the brain by sensory neurons. The discomfort signals actual or potential injury to the body. However, pain is more than a sensation, or the physical awareness of pain; it also includes perception, the subjective interpretation of the discomfort. Perception gives information on the pain's location, intensity, and something about its nature. The various conscious and unconscious responses to both sensation and perception, including the emotional response, add further definition to the overall concept of pain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgt2erL42No

Right... so... if the animals in question do not perceive any pain and are instantly rendered incapable of receiving any pain...

Then...? Consider
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03-03-2016, 10:32 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
(03-03-2016 10:27 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  You dont get to claim moral superiority just because you end only certain kinds of life. Come back with this argument when you have food that was never alive in any state.

The only statement I'm making is that being vegan causes less harm to sentient beings as compared to not being vegan.
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03-03-2016, 10:35 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
" I think it's morally incorrect to make another living being suffer and die unnecessarily for the fleeting experience of tasting its flesh. "

" I wish more people, and in particular free thinkers, would see the logic behind this moral stance

Ring any bells?
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03-03-2016, 10:36 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
Your OP thread name is a non-sequitur, you might as well ask why aren't more atheists SCUBA divers.

Now that really needs explaining Dodgy

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03-03-2016, 10:37 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
What does atheism have to do with veganism? Consider

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03-03-2016, 10:39 AM
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Right... so... if the animals in question do not perceive any pain and are instantly rendered incapable of receiving any pain...

Then...? Consider
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But the animal in question would have had the ability to perceive pain before that happened--killing it quickly doesn't change the fact that you've ended a sentient beings life and just because it can't feel pain beyond that point doesn't make that act was the correct one to make.

The claim that we have "yet" to prove whether or not plants can experience pain is a valid point regarding the plants themselves, but what does that have to do with how we treat animals that we are already fairly certain of really do experience pain the way we do?
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03-03-2016, 10:40 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
(03-03-2016 10:37 AM)Vosur Wrote:  What does atheism have to do with veganism? Consider

Food for thought: does eating vegan animals count towards being vegan Consider

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03-03-2016, 10:42 AM
RE: Why aren't more atheists vegan?
That is a great stance for you to make Rosie, and I salute your commitment! Thumbsup

I generally eat vegetarian - love my goat yogurt & cheese - a sliver of raw sea fish, now and then.

It is certainly much more healthy to keep the meat consumption to a minimum. Something to note; B12 as a supplement, doesn't metabolize in the human body the same way animal flesh does. So, its also a good idea to keep the meat eating in the mix in order to keep the species evolving. Humans are omnivore. It might change over time - a fucking long time.

As for morality ... we humans often justify our gluttonous appetites with our reckoned superiority. I'm not sure it makes us feel better or ever so slightly ashamed of such conceit.

Again, I salute your ideas and your enthusiasm to make others aware! Smile

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